Appendix talk:Index/Japanese

non-Kanji characters
If you see a non-Kanji character, please weed it out, I am rather rushed in things, so I may not have spot them all... -- Emperorbma 00:41, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I moved the Furigana index to Wiktionary:Japanese Furigana index... -- Emperorbma 07:53, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Main index page changes
I moved Japanese Furigana Index to Japanese Kana Index. A word should not be categorized as Furigana since furigana only refers to kana written above or next to kanji to show its pronunciation. I have removed the word 'Furigana' and 'ふりがな' from all the individual character index pages. Eventually, each index page needs to be reformatted the same. ぬ and a few others are good candidates to use as a template. There also needs to be a good template for word pages. Also, the Topical Kanji list needs to be moved off the main page of the index. --Noexit 04:52, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The whole content of this page
The first sentence of the article says:

''This is the Japanese index. It is a list that should contain all words of this language, sorted alphabetically (or by a similar ordering system).''

If you look at the English index, it has a similar description and actually conforms to it. The similarly conforming page for Japanese is Kana index. As kanjis are also a part of the written language (though not "words" as such), I understand the wish to index them too, so perhaps the "words" part should not be taken literally. After all, the English index also indexes non-words such as im- and -ability (they're in the main index, not only in the prefix/suffix indices).

However, this does not explain the other parts of the page than the links Index:Japanese_Kana, Index:Chinese_radical and Index:Japanese_Kanji. Topical indices are not alphabetic or similar ordering systems. If anything, it is a see-also. Note that the page for English does not have such a system either, although it equally well could. The English index also has incidental things such as irregular plurals and prefix/suffix indices relegated to the see also section, which is a good thing to reduce clutter.

So, how about doing this:


 * 1) Move the links Appendix:Japanese_Prefix_and_Suffix_index, Index:Chinese_topical and Appendix:List_of_joyo_kanji_by_reading to a see also section.
 * 2) Remove the descriptions that contain the phrase "Link goes to the Chinese page". These descriptions add nothing beyond implying that the Chinese indices contain only characters used in Chinese, but the indices actually list entries that don't have a Chinese section in them such as 峠 (a character which was made in Japan, I don't know if it is used in China or not but at least Wiktionary doesn't mention it). In other words, they are (uni)han character lists, not lists of characters used in Chinese.
 * 3) Move the topical lists from this article to Index:Chinese_topical.
 * 4) Perhaps even turn this page into a redirect to Index:Japanese_Kana, put links to  Index:Chinese_radical and Index:Japanese_Kanji at the top and the see also section in that article? Or make that article be a redirect to this article and move the content here?

I'm not sure Index:Chinese_topical is a useful index at all, as it's very incomplete at the moment and were it complete it would be a rather unwieldy and possibly arbitrary classification. Wouldn't categories be better for this kind of thing? In any case having such a list cluttering this page is suboptimal. -- Coffee2theorems 11:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow. This index page in no way lives up to its stated purpose.  Looking at the source is rather frightening -- apparently the page was intended to be maintained manually, rather than pulling from categories or anything automatic.  I shudder to think that process through, not least as it ignores decades of technical progress away from the tedious days of keeping track of things on index cards.
 * I think I'll go ask on WT:GP or WT:BEER how to make this better... -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 01:44, 17 July 2012 (UTC)