Appendix talk:Index/Spanish

CH and LL are no longer used has distintive letters in spanish by a decision of the RAE (Real Academia Española, the authority of spanish language) This is to follow general international standards. (JorgeGG of the Spanish Wikipedia)


 * Yes, Spanish index ch and Spanish index ll should be deleted, and references from the other pages removed. They're still empty so it shouldn't be a problem.  —Muke Tever 03:07, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * So is Wiktionary officially ignoring history in this case? The only reason the RAE made this decision was to make it easier for computers to sort Spanish words. Computer experts meanwhile made it easier for computers to sort Spanish in the traditional order.


 * Personally I much prefer the older order to the new dumbed-down order, but in Wiktionary's case I would prefer to see both orders. While the indeces are done by hand I guess it's a bit impractical but ideally some day, it should be the computer creating the indeces on Wiktionary anyway.


 * &mdash; Hippietrail 03:36, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't know—are we creating an index of historical Spanish or modern Spanish? It's been ten years since these digraphs were officially disunified.  It's not as though words starting in ch and especially ll are numerous enough to require their own main index pages... and given that this is the English wiktionary, it might be considered a crime against mnemonics to use an outdated alphabetic ordering of a foreign language when the current standard makes more sense from an English-speaker's viewpoint.


 * There is also the argument that most people of the age to be browsing Wiktionary would have learned ch and ll as letters, but American Spanish is often weird about this; classes I took taught rr as a letter also, and I still have a 1994 textbook that counts rr as a letter sorted after r (thus peruano, perro, pesca are in "alphabetical order") and even though this, as far as I can tell, has never been official Spanish practice (my 1964 VOX dictionary has perplejo [...] perro [...] persa) it appears to be widespread. If we're going to be nonstandard... which nonstandard shall we go for?  —Muke Tever 05:35, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * I think a good compromise would be to collate the index as if the digraphs were separate letters (merging the 'Ch' and 'Ll' pages into 'C' and 'L'), but insert anchors ( and ) on those pages where the digraph words start. That way we can leave all the letters in the TOC, which I like, but we sort correctly. This is what I did on Index:Spanish verbs list. We'd have to rework the TOC template a bit, but that shouldn't be a problem. --Bequw → ¢ • τ 03:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)