Category talk:Disputed terms by language

RFM discussion: June 2022
The phrase "disputed terms" can have a range of different legitimate readings. It is best to have the category be called the very same thing as the associated label; this makes the connection between the two obvious. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 19:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Though I agree, this is probably better at WT:RFM. AG202 (talk) 20:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Is the “proscribed” label the only one placing entries into this category? — Sgconlaw (talk) 20:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I assume so, especially as the description says "Categories with terms whose usage is proscribed; thus, they are considered wrong according to prescriptive sources." AG202 (talk) 20:35, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes: &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 20:37, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * . I was actually thinking of making the same proposal, for the same reason. 'Disputed', at first glance, implies that the terms' existence is in question. Nicodene (talk) 23:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. This seems so obviously correct that I went ahead and did it, and renamed the categories appropriately. It will take a little while for the pages to move to the new category names. Benwing2 (talk) 04:06, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * We now have 78 terms in Category:English disputed terms, all of which have been added manually. Some (most?) are terms with proscribed senses, but for some of them I have no idea why they're there and whether the intent was in fact to mark them as 'disputed', such as whom and whomever. Could someone take a look and help me sort out the ones that don't belong in Category:English proscribed terms? The remainder I can fix by bot. Benwing2 (talk) 04:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll chip away at them. I've noticed that many of them were added by User:Alleged editor (e.g. ). &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 20:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * How the category is used from what I can tell:
 * Some common (but incorrect) preposition combinations are warned against: different, deny, meet, meet with
 * Some intricacies in usage are warned against: graffiti (removed by me: between, among, amidst, whilst)
 * In particular: regional intricacies: alternate, alternatively
 * Some non-separate subsense is proscribed: urgent, persons, due to
 * I suggest removing it entirely for category 1 and 2 entries and retaining it for category 3 articles. Thoughts? &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 21:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I've taken a look at all the remaining entries and found none where the intention was clearly 'disputed'.
 * Many of these entries would, in theory, call for a separate category such as 'English terms with proscribed senses or usages'. Examples include, , and - which are all regarded as correct when used in the traditional way. As for , the only thing that is 'proscribed' is a specific pronunciation.
 * It may not be worth bothering with, though. Nicodene (talk) 00:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed with your proposal. I don't see why something like 'different than' should cause different to be included, as it's not a proscribed term by any stretch of imagination (in any case I suspect you won't find very many style guides that still proscribe 'different than'). We could split Category:English terms with proscribed senses from Category:English proscribed terms using vs., as we do for certain other labels, as User:Nicodene proposes; but then we'd have to clean up existing uses. Benwing2 (talk) 03:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * RFM-passed (speedily) per above. —Svārtava (talk) • 12:38, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Please don't archive this as long as Category:English disputed terms is not empty. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 12:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Emptied —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Can this maybe be undone? We weren't done cleaning out the above category. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 10:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Can what be undone? Emptying the category? I don't know how the category was emptied, but I can get you a list of the pages that were in the category as of June 19 (probably specifically June 19 23:59:59 UTC), by looking at the dump file that was just released. Benwing2 (talk) 00:38, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Emptying the category, yes. I think migrated all "disputed terms" over to "proscribed terms" without proper care, disregarding the above discussion. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 01:43, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Terms were:
 * amongst
 * a.m.
 * alibi
 * QD
 * Scotchmen
 * persons
 * fortuitously
 * Scotchman
 * ironically
 * ft.
 * overly
 * whomsoever
 * whomever
 * presently
 * rebuttal
 * quaternary
 * due to
 * Scotch
 * whoever
 * p.m.
 * refutation
 * rebut
 * Scot
 * diagnose
 * racism
 * urgent
 * humanitarian
 * denial
 * anxious
 * Scottish
 * loan
 * you
 * whom
 * rear
 * contact
 * while
 * raise
 * and
 * poor
 * person
 * who
 * one
 * data
 * like
 * people
 * Are any of these miscategorized? —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:47, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. Thanks for the list. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 01:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * See also User:Benwing2/english-disputed-terms, which is derived from the June 20 dump. Benwing2 (talk) 03:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've finished cleaning them up just now. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 12:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)