Category talk:Hungarian foreign words

Category:Hungarian foreign words
I'd have thought every Hungarian word comes from a foreign word if you go back far enough. Isn't enough? Any comparable categories in other languages? Mglovesfun (talk) 16:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Move; until then, keep. I assume this means loanwords (as opposed to words that descended). IMO the category name is not good but the idea is good. Perhaps we should have languagecode:Loanwords as a subcat of languagecode:Etymology? (If so, then languagecode:Twice-borrowed words should probably be a subcat of it instead of of languagecode:Etymology.) &#x200b;— msh210 ℠ 19:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC) 15:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's certainly better than this, and not unworkable, but a bit problematic. A recent does a borrowing have to be for it to be considered a loanword. For example café, is that a French loanword to English? Mglovesfun (talk) 21:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Move for lack of a better idea. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Msh210, thanks for letting me know about this request. I know I should watch more closely the deletion requests, but I have not done that. Not every Hungarian word comes from a foreign word, some are internal developments. But this category was created based on a dictionary that we have in the Hungarian language. It contains foreign words that still sound foreign because they came to the language recently. You don't have similar dictionaries in English? --Panda10 21:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. So they're loanwords, then? Or loanwords and calques? Or what? Is determining what goes in this category objective or a matter of opinion? (A category of loanwords sounds like a good idea IMO, and if that's what this is then great, but then it should probably be renamed Category:hu:Loanwords.) &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 15:40, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * They are words that are still considered foreign sounding. They are usually called foreign words, not loanwords. For example, the word "telefon" is an international word, it came to Hungarian from German, but everyone knows its meaning, it is used every day, so it would not be included in a dictionary of foreign words where the meaning of a word has to be explained and many times there is no proper Hungarian translation. I started this category because we have specific dictionaries in this topic such as this. If you think it does not make sense in Wiktionary, it's ok to delete it. --Panda10 21:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete I think saying "Hungarian foreign words" is meaningless. Much of the vocabulary comes from Slavic words, much from Turkic... Here in Wiktionary we have better ways, because we can categorise based on etymology. Also, this category seems to be a united version of Category:hu:Latin derivations and Category:hu:Ancient Greek derivations. About foreign-sounding: garancia, irónia, diktátor. For me these are not foreign-sounding but are in the category. Saying what sounds foreign and not is too subjective. Etymology-based categories can be used instead of the Foreign words category, and it is more objective. Qorilla 22:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've created which automatically categorizes in Category:Hungarian loanwords when you specify lang=hu. This should allow all these category names to be standardized. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do not move to "Loanwords", based on Panda10's and Qorilla's description (if I understand it correctly) that this is not a category of loanwords but rather a category of words that seem foreign. As to keepability: Panda10 implies that this is a well-known category of words among Hungarian speakers, whereas Qorilla implies it's merely POV. I say let the Hungarian-language editors duke it out. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * One could say there is such a category of Latin and Greek words that are just Hungarianized in a regular way, but are still felt as if it was Latin, just twisted a bit for the Hungarian pattern. Like "oligosynaptic" in English and "oligoszinaptikus" in Hungarian. These are mostly technical jargon, or words with which people try to pretend to be smart and cultured. Some words then go a closer to the core Hungarian vocabulary, like irónia. Certain words are more familiar to some than to others. I think the dictionary writers created the dictionary from a practical point of view, so people can find most loanwords there that they don't understand. Not because this is a specific category. Qorilla 19:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I will go through the 205 entries and remove the category, then I will delete the category itself. --Panda10 19:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Manually? Can't a bot do that? Qorilla 20:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Emptied and deleted. --Panda10 15:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes MglovesunBot could have done it in about 5 minutes. Mglovesfun (talk) 08:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)