Category talk:Pontic language

RFD discussion: March 2020
I do not speak Pontic but I request-delete for the following 4 lemmata, as they are identical to standard modern greek: =,  = ,  = ,  =. I do not know if their inflection has peculiarities, but as presented now, there is no difference to koine. Their pronunciation, (I have heard Pontic quite often) is also standard. The rest, in the Pontic Category, are common nouns with the characteristic [n] ending of Pontic. &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; | 07:17, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Since we treat Pontic as a separate language from Greek, there's no reason to delete its entries just because they're identical to Greek entries. We have Scots entries that are identical to English entries, for example. It would create a very bad precedent for us to have a policy of deleting words in minority languages that happen to be identical to words in the affected language's most closely related major language. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:30, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * !! Full duplication of everything! Then, a special template for : this is identical to standard (implying: it is not found in Dictionaries of the dialect). &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; | 11:51, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * correction: I did find it in a Dictionary. The lemma is: εγώ = εγώ. &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; | 12:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Print dictionaries need to be mindful of their length, which Wiktionary (not being paper) doesn't have to. So duplication of content isn't the problem here that it would be in a paper dictionary. Also, I suspect most print dictionaries of Pontic are written with the assumption that their users already know standard modern Greek and are therefore only interested in the ways that Pontic differs from the standard language. At Wiktionary, especially English-language Wiktionary, we can't assume that people who want to look up Pontic terms already know standard modern Greek. To take your example of, if we didn't have the Pontic entry, a user might not know whether the Pontic word means "I kiss", as the standard modern Greek word does, or whether Pontic might have retained the Ancient Greek meaning of , namely "I love". It would not be unusual at all for a dialect to retain an old meaning of a word when the standard language has undergone a semantic change. So it's good to keep the Pontic entry to remove any doubt. And at the moment, doesn't even have a modern Greek entry, only an Ancient Greek entry and a Pontic entry. I don't think we need a template saying "this is the same as in standard modern Greek"; what good would that do for someone learning Pontic? —Mahāgaja · talk 21:22, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, of course, you are right, thank you. We do the same thing at el.wikt for dialects or for medieaval words which are similar to modern. But it is useful, to let readers know if there is any difference in sense, or in pronunciation from standard. May i try then , and perhaps you could rephrase it. &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; | 17:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I see no point at all in saying "identical to the equivalent Standard Modern Greek". Neither people who do know Standard Modern Greek nor people who don't know Standard Modern Greek are helped by that statement: the former aren't helped because they don't need to be told, and the latter aren't helped because telling them is pointless. We certainly don't do anything like that for Scots entries, nor should we. —Mahāgaja · talk 17:37, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ok. I give up &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; | 17:45, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Closing as out of scope. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 04:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)