Category talk:Rhinos

RFM discussion: November 2021–April 2022
Weird that an informal term is used as cat name. ·~  dictátor · mundꟾ  12:53, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * moving —Svārtava [t•c•u•r] 17:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I gave it the short name because it's just as familiar to most people, but less than half as much typing. Also, the spelling of the full form is tricky: not many English words end in -os, and not everybody spells the plural with -oses. Although it's simply not possible to make every lifeform category name easy to remember, we shouldn't go out of our way to make them harder. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * moving as well. I think full, standard names should be used for things like category and thesaurus names, regardless of whether some people might find them a bit difficult to spell. In any case, I doubt if the average user bothers with category names much. — SGconlaw (talk) 03:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Moreover, "Rhinoceroses" can't possibly be more complicated than "Category:Caprimulgiforms‎", "Category:Coraciiforms‎", "Category:Erinaceids‎", and so on. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * But there are no unambiguous, accepted vernacular alternatives for those terms. I would expect hardly any for entries corresponding to taxonomic superfamilies and higher and very few for those corresponding to tribes, families, etc. DCDuring (talk) 17:49, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The problem is that our lifeform categories are organized by taxonomy (there's really no other criterion that even comes close to being complete), and most taxa have no unambiguous and short common names. Chuck Entz (talk) 18:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I find it impossible in almost every case to organize normal vernacular names into a hierarchy with hypernyms and hyponyms. Relatedly, I find it hard to ever define vernacular names above the level of genus by characteristics. And what exactly are common traits that unite all finches, wrens, or mallows. DCDuring (talk) 20:03, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I reiterate my point that most readers are unlikely to deal much with categories anyway, so we might as well use the more formal word. Thus, I don't find the arguments that rhinos is easier to spell or more commonly used very convincing in this context. — SGconlaw (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Who will be doing the typing required? Chuck. DCDuring (talk) 23:58, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not really. With a few exceptions, I don't go around adding categories in other languages. In fact, because I use a gadget called HotCat that has autofill, it doesn't affect me at all. In a way, this is all rather academic, because there are very few languages with enough terms for rhinoceroses to justify using the category. Most languages would really be better sticking to higher categories such as Category:Odd-toed ungulates, which they would already have due to Category:Horses being below it on the tree. Although I've explained my reasoning, I'm not all that concerned about how this turns out. I do 90%+ of the life-form category creation in an absolute vacuum, consensus-wise, so it's good to hear what others think. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:23, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


 * "Rhinos are" is about four times more common than "rhinoceroses are" at Google Ngrams and has been more common since the mid 1960s. I agree with Chuck's ease-of-use argument as well. DCDuring (talk) 17:13, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * . "Rhino" seems oddly informal in a context where we don't normally use informal words. But maybe leave the old name as a redirect. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm glad we at least naven't been forced to have Category:Noranges. DCDuring (talk) 00:04, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Does follow redirects? 70.175.192.217 00:14, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * —Mahāgaja · talk 07:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)


 * per nom. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 21:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * ; cats moved. —Svārtava (t/u) • 07:36, 28 April 2022 (UTC)