MediaWiki talk:Gadget-AcceleratedFormCreation.js/2008-19

minor edit
Can the script check the minor-edit box?—msh210 ℠ 08:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It used to, but User:RJFJR asked me not to :). I think it should, so might change it back. Conrad.Irwin 08:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes please - flooding RC. SemperBlotto 09:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Now done, but I have no easy way of asking people to hard refresh, which they need to do in order to get the latest version. (Caching again). Conrad.Irwin 13:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

mének
Something seems to have gone wrong here - I have seen it once before (different language). SemperBlotto 12:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

p.s. It's been corrected, so see its history.


 * That happens if the user clicks "save" too quickly - it had read the contents of User:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js/plural but not substituted the correct values. Conrad.Irwin 13:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

more uses
How would one go about adding this feature to another inflection-line (or conjugation-table) template?—msh210 ℠ 07:13, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's more intended for inflection lines, as when you get to a whole conjugation table, it makes sense to have a bot to do it. In theory you just add a  around the form to be created (as in the examples above see my contribs to templates for actual use). Conrad.Irwin 00:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want forms that aren't listed above, then you'll have to edit the script. If you don't want to risk breaking things, just prod me nicely and I'll add support for stuff (assuming I'm still feeling just as nice :p) - same goes for editing templates. Conrad.Irwin 00:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd rather avoid risking my ruining things. Would it be possible for you to add support for:
 * template:he-noun's parameter? It should create a new page at  that looks like
 * template:en-adj's first two numbered parameters?
 * template:en-noun's parameter?
 * Thanks ever so much.—msh210 ℠ 07:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * en-adj and en-noun now work better, you'll need to hard refresh to see any difference. I'll get round to doing he-noun at some point soon, as it will require changes to the javascript too. Conrad.Irwin 09:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * he-noun should now work for plural too. Could you review אנשים for me? Conrad.Irwin 23:14, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks! Is it possible to add Category:Entries missing romanizations of Hebrew? —Ruakh TALK 01:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Now does. Conrad.Irwin 16:27, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Rock! Thanks! :-D  —Ruakh TALK 18:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you!!—msh210 ℠ 05:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This script is great! Thanks again for writing it. Now, can I bug you for more implementations? (See what happens when you do something nice? People start expecting things of you. Better to leave well enough alone.) How about 's parameter? I'm thinking that that would make, s.v.,  . —msh210 ℠ 20:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Now done. Please review שואת‎ for me. Conrad.Irwin 23:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Beautiful. Thanks so much.—msh210 ℠  17:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

piped headwords
תפוח עץ had {{he-noun|wv=תַּפּוּחַ עֵץ|  so the script made (s.v. תפוחי עץ (hist))  {{plural of|[[תפוח|תַּפּוּחַ_עֵץ]]|  as it was supposed. This problem should exist for, e.g., en-noun also.—msh210 ℠  18:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It only happened because the hebrew stuff needs to override the origin page's display. Should now be fixed. Conrad.Irwin 01:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

German nouns
Hello. Can we add this feature to the German noun inflection templates, e.g. Template:de-noun-f and the others in the Category:German inflection templates? --Volants 11:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added it to -m and -n, not to -adv as that isn't used, and not to the verbs, yet. I can add it to the uncountable ones if you would like - or you can probably see how to do that by taking the stuff from around the genitives of the countable ones. Conrad.Irwin 00:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, please add to the -unc ones too, i tried to do it here, but im afraid i messed up. Could you fix it please? Thanks. Mutante 01:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed, and added to -f-unc and -m-unc. Conrad.Irwin 08:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

German adjectives
Moreover, can the Template:de-adj be added to the code? --Volants 11:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Now done. (I'll get round to the above requests in a bit). Conrad.Irwin 23:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Substing lang templates
When I tried the accelerated creation with a plural Galician noun, the language name was linked in the L2 language header. Can you set up (at least for Galician) the automatic insertion of the dummy parameter 1= so that the language name won't be linked in the language section header? --EncycloPetey 01:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I can, however I thought we had a convention to link the names of languages not in the top twenty - or is that just in the translation sections? Conrad.Irwin 01:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added the parameter for Galician only at the moment, I will add it to all languages if that is more correct. Conrad.Irwin 01:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That issue hasn't been settled that I know of. We do want that kind of linking in the Translations sections, but linking language headers is an unresolved issue.  There may be some merit in it, but I think they ought to be linked only for truly obscure languages, and perhaps not even then. --EncycloPetey 20:56, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Spanish nouns
Would you be able to get this to work with Spanish nouns? zapatos is the format used. Nadando 19:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added it to and, but  needs thinking about - can you give me an example of a word using that with four correct forms I can imitate? Conrad.Irwin 01:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, look at presidente / presidenta- the plurals get the same format. Nadando 00:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for making this accelerated. I love it already. Can the format be tweaked a bit? --Bequw → ¢ • τ 05:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) After the gender on the inflection line, add.
 * 2) Add nocat=1 to the  call so that it won't categorize the entry under Category:Spanish plurals (I've been meaning to clear that category out, and the  call will get it in the right one Category:Spanish noun forms).


 * Now done, thanks for the pointer from below. Conrad.Irwin 22:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Dutch diminutives
Are always neuter. Can you make sure that gender is preselected? Or tell me how to make sure it is?

Similarly, it doesn't make sense to mention a gender in the plural in Dutch. How do I make the gender not appear there? H. (talk) 13:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If the class name contains "gender-n" it will be neuter. If it doesn't contain any gender- thing it will not add a gender. I've fixed and . Conrad.Irwin 13:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. In addition, the diminutives have a plural themselves, so ideally, you’d have it insert a note for that (see antecedentje), and even better, this plural would be accelerated as well.  I think the best thing would be to create  and you’d insert that.  Better yet, someone else had this idea already.  Can you make it use that template? H. (talk) 10:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, I think. Also corrected the links in to create a diminutive-plural instead of just a plural. Conrad.Irwin 01:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Anchor to multi-language lemma page
When the plural form is saved and I click on the lemma link to go back to the lemma entry, it would be nice to go back to the actual language entry on multi-language pages. Is this possible with the plural of template? --Panda10 00:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it is, if people are happy with the rather ugly looking . It would also be possible just using , but then it wouldn't "count". Which is preferred? Conrad.Irwin 01:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe the no-wikilink solution is against the standards. About the first option: Is it ok to add it to all plural entries even if it is not needed? Do you see any other issues besides the "ugly looking" format? --Panda10 13:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, should now be done if you . Conrad.Irwin 13:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Conrad. It works great. --Panda10 02:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese accelerated
Can you add this to and  please. They will have very simple functions, similar to Spanish and Italian. Thanks --Volants 11:18, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Conrad.Irwin 12:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Please, another request for and . --Volants 12:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Conrad.Irwin 11:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Spanish adjectives
A request for to be accelerated also. It should be simple. --Volants 11:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well... As with it is possible to create the plural forms of masculine and feminine automatically, but creating the other singular form is quite hard - as  expects to be used on both. I could also write code to make the combined masc&fem plural form point to a combined singular form, but not sure how worth it that is? Conrad.Irwin 13:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done this, so there will be one accelerated plural form on the page, but not an accelerated other singular. Conrad.Irwin 20:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Can we also get the after the gender for created adjectives? --Bequw → ¢ • τ 05:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you it should add plural into the inflection line:  . Conrad.Irwin 10:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That's great. I also made a comment above in the Spanish noun section which you might not have seen as I made two comments right after each other in different sections. Are those possible too? --Bequw → ¢ • τ 20:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Danish Nouns an Verbs
It would be a great help if and  could have this functionality. I had a look at the code, but I can't do it myself. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 22:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you please give me a link to an example noun and verb that have all of the forms, so I can imitate the current Danish standard. Conrad.Irwin 17:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The danish templates are not very well-developed as yet, but it would be nice to have the 3 inflections for noun and 4 for verbs. The word blære is both a noun and a verb, and has the inflections that are implemented. Nouns will get 4 genetives, same as Swedish, which simply is a s-postfix in the majority of cases. "Singular indefinite" is the base form for nouns, and infinitive for verbs. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 19:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Now suddenly I get green links for Danish nouns, but I don't see any related changes that might explain it. Anyway nice :-). Is it possible to change User:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js/basicNoun: "" to "", so they get a category? or should we make a new noun-template for that. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 22:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's great. I took the liberty to add a space in inflNoun, hope that's allright. It is a really great tool. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 11:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've now added support for da-verb. I had no idea quite how varied the different langauges were, so the structure I chose isn't as practical as I thought - however it's great that you've managed to understand enough to tweak it how you like. Please please improve it however you like, it's easy to undo things when they break. Conrad.Irwin 00:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Hungarian adverbs
When time allows, would you please add it to ? Thanks. --Panda10 17:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Sorry for the delay. Conrad.Irwin 01:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, but this should create an adverb, not an adjective. Please see how I changed csendesebben. Not sure how to use the comparative template, since it puts the word in the adjective category. --Panda10 12:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Conrad.Irwin 13:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Two Three :p fold request
Hi, I was wondering if you could make two improvements to this wonderful tool. Kind regards,
 * 1) Accelerate French adjective forms and forms of nouns that change according to gender.
 * 2) Accelerate Dutch plural diminutives. Also there may (or may not) be some other thigs that need acceleration in.
 * 50 Xylophone Players talk 01:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

My bad, I gave no examples; for 1 see blagueur: (noun) and hollywoodien: (adj) and been for 2. 50 Xylophone Players talk 01:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * French adjective forms. Done.
 * French noun forms. How should the "feminine" form be defined? "feminine of acteur", or "actress" for example - this really should be done by hand. Once the feminine singular form has been created then they should be able to accelerate the feminine plural from there.
 * What should the definition line be? Can you give me a link to an example which has this form created already so I can copy it?
 * I should probably be clearer with that instruction ;). Conrad.Irwin 02:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm hitting the hay soon so I'll give an example later if I get a chance. Anyway, about the French nouns I'm aware of the acteur:-actrice: situation, but see blageur above; it means joker but it changes to agree with gender; something that the English joker does not do. 50 Xylophone Players talk 00:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you mean an example for Dutch diminutive plurals I don't know of any right now but the definition should simply use whatever format the other Dutch noun forms are using in such a way that it renders " may require a new template, specifically for diminutive plurals, as I do not think they have been tackled yet. See User:PalkiaX50/Sandbox for a temporary example of what needs to be accelerated in . 50 Xylophone Players talk 22:48, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing the adjectives. Sorry about this but I just realised now that also needs acceleration... see ploutocratique: for an example. 50 Xylophone Players talk 23:22, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Done . I'm still of the opinion that "a female joker" would be nicer - but maybe :). Any decision on Dutch diminutives yet? Conrad.Irwin 01:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have not really been able to get around to asking but what I'm sure there's no problem in doing is adding accelerated links for alternative plurals. 50 Xylophone Players talk 22:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Romanian nouns
Also, can we have with accelerated too. --Volants 13:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Conrad.Irwin 01:42, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

"Inflected" form
Hi Conrad, Dutch adjectives have an inflected and non-inflected form, but no genitive or other case. So I'd like to be able to do. Can you add this keyword? Cheers, H. (talk) 09:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * See for what I mean. H. (talk) 09:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have an example with a complete set of forms I can look at? (or at least, some of the new kind, so I know what you want displayed). Conrad.Irwin 01:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * A Dutch adjective can have 8 forms altogether. Apart from the basic uninflected form there is: inflected (-e), partitive (-s), comparative (-er), inflected comparative (-ere), partitive comparative (-ers), superlative (-st), inflected superlative (-ste). See the newly created for more information, or duidelijk for an example. Ideally, each of these would have its own entry pointing back to the headword, using the Dutch form-of templates, ,  and . Category:Dutch entry templates contains example entry templates for each of the 7 forms. Any way to make that work? --CodeCat 12:21, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A note for future reference: the templates mentioned above are now obsolete. Use instead. —CodeCat 08:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Spanish m / f nouns
Currently when you click on the accelerated 'f' portion of the {{es-noun-mf| output, the feminine form gets generated with {{temp|infl}} instead of {{es-noun-mf. Could this be modified so that the feminine form gets created with {{es-noun-mf|m=foo}} ? Nadando 00:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See bandida for example. Nadando 00:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Able to be used in Safari
Hi there Conrad.Irwin. Is there any way that you could get this to be able to be used on Safari as well as Internet Explorer? If you can't, then that is fine, but it might help :). Cheers, Razorflame 16:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Never mind..looks like it does work in Safari. Cheers, Razorflame 16:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Glad to hear! Conrad.Irwin 17:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

space at the end of theinflection line
Fyi: I just made text files acceleratedly (plural of text file), and the inflection line had an extra space (or some whitespace character) at its end.—msh210 ℠  20:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it does this so that the gender would appear spaced away from the inflection line. If this is a massive problem I can fix it; but it would require a lot more time than I'll have for the next week or two. Conrad.Irwin 01:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a massive problem at all AFAICT. It doesn't break anything that I know of (but perhaps one of the bot operators will disagree), and doesn't appear to viewers of the entry.—msh210 ℠  17:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Help needed once again
I tried to accelerate, but it didn’t work: the comparative and superlative were no longer shown at all, see my reverted changes. I think this has something to do with the switch. Can you have a look at it? H. (talk) 13:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the switch interprets the "=" sign within the HTML tag as being part of the switch syntax (which is a bug in my opinion, but nevermind). What format do you want for the "inflected-comparative" etc. form's pages?

Catalan
Hey man, when you've got a chance do you think you could make acceleratable? :D avorrit has all its forms added. Then there's, which has jove's form, replet's and caòtic's. I dunno why the hell there are all these templates that do the same thing, but it's whatever. Thanks in advance :) — [ ric ] opiaterein — 02:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * and differ in the default forms generated if no parameters are passed.  While you can use either to generate what you want,  assumes an adjective of one form (i.e. masculine and feminine forms are the same) while  assumes a an adjective of two forms.  I need to work on those templates some more.  They currently use a subtemplate   that is also called by the number templates and is intended for eventual use by the noun templates to handle the not too uncommon occurrence of multiple plural forms.  So for the moment if you'd hold off on accelerating the adjective templates, I'd appreciate it. — Carolina wren discussió  05:32, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure, being told I don't have to do stuff makes a nice change. If you need a hand accelerating stuff later, let me know. Conrad.Irwin 08:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I doubt if I'll want to use the default acceleration for the Catalan adjective templates, but while playing around with it, I noticed that for Catalan it was trying to place the entries in  instead of. You might want to add the  parameter to wherever it is inserting the language name by substing in the language code template to generate the category name. Certainly would make accelerating templates for which the standard forms are useful easier for those languages where the default is to use a link.— Carolina wren discussió 04:19, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Simple Lithooo thing
Template:lt-pusdalyvis can be automated, since all of these end in the same thing (-damas), and there's only three forms of it :D dainuodamas has its forms added. — [ ric ] opiaterein — 11:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:bg-noun-f-a1
Alright, so, can I get Template:bg-noun-f-a1 accelerated?

I added all of the forms for it over at, and they look like they should (category stuff as well, as Category:Bulgarian words lacking transliteration is a maintenance category that I'm going to create due to this being accelerated). is missing all of the forms, for testing it.

Thank you! --Neskaya kanetsv  20:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed that when the plural is specified in en-noun via the  parameter, it isn't accelerated. — Carolina wren discussió 21:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Conrad.Irwin 22:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

support for Latin
what would it take to make declension and Category:Latin conjugation templates supported? I was going to make some links blue but it'll be incredibly repetitive without it. -- Pinochio 22:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * A reasonable amount of work, for words with a lot of forms like that, it is better to run a bot (like User:SemperBlottoBot, I think User:EncycloPetey has one/was going to try and get one for Latin. Conrad.Irwin 09:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Danish genitives
With the addition of Danish genitives, it is a problem that part-of-speech are set to 'Verb' for all Danish words. I'm afraid I don't see an obvious solution. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 21:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should be more specific. The genitive noun forms now are saved as verb forms. By the way; the sequence of genitive-singular/plural-(in)definite is simply a matter of personal preference, feel free to reorder if that simplifies the code. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 08:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yuck, sorry about that - I'll have a look and see if I can work out why. Conrad.Irwin 09:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Should be now fixed, I created avocadoens to test it. Conrad.Irwin 09:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats great, I'll hunt down remaining mistaken verb forms; its probably my edits anyway. – Leo Laursen – (talk · contribs) 09:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

some more French ones
Hi, could you accelerate and  when you get a chance? (Despite their potential they are barely used, so much so that I just stumbled upon them a little while ago, even though they were created back in the day of WF.) 50 Xylophone Players talk 22:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Strongly agree, look at this, quite a few of those are -al adjectives that don't yet use the right template. Thank for pointing that out, Palkia. Mglovesfun 22:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Broken Accelerated editing of Spanish adjectives
It seems that your edit 6510832 on "09:18, 1 May 2009" has broken the accelerated creation of Spanish adjective forms. From this version the adjective forms will be erroneously created with "{ {infl|es|noun form..." inflection lines. Also, Spanish plural noun forms the "plural" is missing on the inflection line. Matthias Buchmeier 09:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was silly of me. Conrad.Irwin 12:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

(again)
This works well, but if you specify a feminine form and or feminine plural of the noun (see détenteur, for example) the masc. pl. comes up in green, and the two feminine forms come up in red. Cheers, Mglovesfun 13:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, only thing is it create gagnante as the plural of gagnant, which it isn't. It's the feminine singular, what's the category for that? I will try and recategorize the ones that need it. Mglovesfun 21:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, now fixed. Conrad.Irwin 22:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You're closer now, for gagnant you can create gagnants and gagnantes, but not gagnante, which I can do easily by hand with a copy-and-paste template, but in the long run a green link would be better. The exact categorisation needs some thinking about, I suppose, as it's not a "plural". Mglovesfun (talk) 19:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

More technical issues
A few thoughts


 * 1) Is there a way of finding green links, i.e. articles that can be created with one click?
 * 2) When the word already exist, with another meaning in another language you can't accel-create. I don't think adding a section to an exist article is that hard, the problem is stopping the link being active when the section already exist (such as two Spanish plurals, or three, or four in the same article.) Am I right? Mglovesfun (talk) 21:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * At the moment it finds them by using specific HTML classes which are added to the page manually, I don't think it can be done completely automatically - but if you want to improve this script, then feel free [it's internally very messy] - with the simple english Wiktionary script, it just has an attribute on the table. Adding a section isn't that hard, but checking every single blue link is very expensive (we'd have to make a lot of api hits) - maybe we could ask Hippietrail if he can add support for checking such things to his forward and back link script on the toolserver. Conrad.Irwin 22:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a bit of helpful info: this is slightly irrelevant but anyway, if you want to us accelerated creation to create an entry that has 2 or more possible things it can contain (multilingual or not) here's what I do:
 * Determine what order the things should be arranged in in the entry.
 * (presuming you are only dealing with two things) click on the accel link for the second sense and copy the content.
 * Go back and click on the accel link for the first sense and paste in sense number two.

Naturally however, you will need to maintain a couple of tabs to achieve this, not that that should be a problem. 50 Xylophone Players talk 14:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am aware of this, but fixing it would require completely rewriting the javascript, which would almost invariably break it in bizarre ways for a while. Maybe, one day, I'll get the determination to do it, but for now I have other things that are taking up too much of my time. (The creation.js on simple wiktionary does allow multiple entries on the same target page - but there the massive advantage is they have only one language) Conrad.Irwin 20:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

one more kink to work out for Dutch nouns
used in diminutive singular entries needs to be fixed the accel links it generates create entries in the form of:

instead of:

See here for an example. 50 Xylophone Players talk 14:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That is not fixable, sorry. Creation.js can only create links back to the page which it is on (otherwise it would have to scan through all of the entry to try and work out which page it should link to, which is error prone. You can presumably use the dutch dimminutive plural acceleration from the lemma page instead?. Sorry. Conrad.Irwin 20:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh well, nothing we can do but disable the crazy links that creates then... At least we still have accelerated creation for diminutive plurals. 50 Xylophone Players talk 15:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Czech adverbs
Hi Conrad, could you update the script to accelerate the creation of Czech adverb forms, please?

A simple change in function get_preload_template (form, lang, link) is sufficient: case 'comparative': case 'superlative': case 'exaggerated': -              if (lang == 'hu' && get_part_of_speech(link) == 'Adverb') +              if ((lang == 'hu' || lang == 'cs') && get_part_of_speech(link) == 'Adverb') return prefix + 'basicAdverb'; return prefix + 'basicAdjective';

Example entries: plynule, agresivně. Thank you, Karelklic 19:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Should be done now, just . (I also corrected User:Opiaterein's attempt to add Slovene) Conrad.Irwin 22:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It works well. Thanks again. Karelklic 12:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Incompatible with beta?
I'm trying out the Wiktionary beta and the green links aren't showing up. I have the two lines of code added to my monobook.js file. CyberSkull 12:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, I found the solution. I need to add the two includes to my vector.js file! CyberSkull 12:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, why they didn't implement /common.js is a mystery to me. Conrad.Irwin 22:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:es-pp
Could you make Template:es-pp accelerated? It's basically like Template:es-adj, but for past participles used as adjectives. Ultimateria 03:57, 18 Sept ember 2009 (UTC)
 * What exactly should a created page look like? Conrad.Irwin 18:05, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * See abultado- basically all the pages are the same. Nadando 18:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As above, this is not possible at the moment, as creation.js can only create pages linking back to the current page. Given that that's now two requests for it to function otherwise, I'll see if I can hack around with it some more, but I can't promise anything. Conrad.Irwin 18:15, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Dutch comparative and superlative adjective forms
Could you make it so that the inflection line of a Dutch adjective comparative form uses and the superlative form uses ? &mdash;AugPi 04:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * done. Conrad.Irwin 18:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

French
Same things. I'm still doing French feminine forms by hand (see User:Mglovesfun/Templates for what I do) and as for adjective forms, all of which use or, that's totally fine but you can replace adding the category at the bottom by using  which removes a bit of clutter, especially when merging sections. That is, using ACCEL to create a noun plural and an adjective plural by copying from one window to another. Mglovesfun (talk) 22:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

eo-noun and eo-adj
Could you please make eo-noun and eo-adj accelerated, as in ŝipo and verda?(It doesn't matter whether inflection of or accusative of/accusative plural of is used)--Yair rand 14:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you haven't started working on it yet, could you use instead, as is now used in the forms of fido, ŝipo and verda? --Yair rand 15:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is finally done so just . Nice form-of template! (It finally gave me the motivation to fix the code so that it doesn't rely on mediawiki templates which makes it flexible enough to use your templates easily). Let me know of anby problems with ĥoro or ĉarma. Conrad.Irwin 00:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This might be only on my computer, but when I click on the green links the edit box is blank even though the URL shows up as though it was working. BTW, ĥoro and ĉarma are formated perfectly, and is this supposed to work with uncountable nouns? I noticed that in the URL for uncountable noun forms there was no mention of |unc=yes. --Yair rand 00:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * What browser are you using? There seem to be some problems with the most recent versions of Opera when editing anonymously. I don't currently have an Internet Explorer to test with. (Chrome and latest version of Firefox seem fine). 131.111.220.6 08:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm using Chrome 3. --Yair rand 12:40, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Quick problem with the eo accelerations. When I go to make a page with them the inflection line ends up showing as:

Conrad.Irwin/creation.js

instead of whatever it should be. --Neskaya contribs–talk? 06:13, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think that's possible as it just uses ' ' unless you can point me to a page containing a green link that acts like that in a certain browser?. 131.111.220.6 08:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that the URL includes Conrad.Irwin/creation.js instead of the inflection line even though I'm still trying to get the edit box to work. Flava links to http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=flavaj&action=edit&redlink=1&editintro=User:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js/intro&preloadtext=%3D%3D%3D%3D%0A%0A%3D%3D%3DAdjective%3D%3D%3D%0AConrad.Irwin/creation.js%0A%0A%23%20%0A%0A&autosummary=Creating%20definite-plural%20form%20of%20flava%20(Accelerated)&autominor=true but it still shows up blank for me. --Yair rand 12:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I just saw the message you sent to the GP. Um, is importing Visviva's preloadText into my monobook.js necessary for this to work? --Yair rand 13:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's at the bottom of creation.js as well (importing it to site js would prevent duplication everywhere). I've fixed the problem - which was that I had upt  into the javascript, which MediaWiki helpfully subst:d on my behalf (as I include copies hosted from my computer for testing I didn't notice). If you, it should now be fixed. Conrad.Irwin 14:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... maybe my computer's just gone nuts. I tried using IE8 and it still shows a blank edit box. Still works for all the other accelerated templates, but these two show up blank. The links are green, the URL says all the stuff it should, but no matter what I do the box is blank. --Yair rand 14:53, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I tried importing Visviva's preloadText into my monobook.js and now it works. I'm not sure whether that's what caused it to work or if my computer is just insane. --Yair rand 15:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Bizarre. It sounds like that might be the problem then. Conrad.Irwin 15:12, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that in some of the forms I did the program didn't add an edit summary or check the minor edit box. Am only I having this problem? --Yair rand 16:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, yes. I've tried uploading a version that sets those two in a different way - let me know if things degrade. Conrad.Irwin 18:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm having the strangest things happen with this. Now the script sometimes loads everything double: (see http://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=sa%C4%9Daj&action=edit&redlink=1&editintro=User:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js/intro&preloadtext=%3D%3D%3D%3D%0A%0A%3D%3D%3DAdjective%3D%3D%3D%0A%0A%0A%23%20%0A%0A&preloadsummary=Creating%20definite-plural%20form%20of%20sa%C4%9Da%20(Accelerated)&preloadminor=true ). --Yair rand 05:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * This is because the preload stuff is included twice (it does try to prevent that, but it can't be perfect). You can remove it from your monobook.js, I'll try to get it added to common.js today. Conrad.Irwin 11:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Hungarian nouns
Hello there. Earlier, I noticed that you now have support for the accusative plural forms of Hungarian nouns, however, it is incorrect. Please see how I changed sisakokot. Could you please fix this?

Secondly, do you think you can include support for the remainder of that declension table? I have the possessives down pat, so those don't need acceleration, but the first declension table is a pain in the ass. Please see how the word magmakamra is formatted (the declensed words for that noun, first table) for an example of how it should be accelerated. Thanks, Razorflame</b> 19:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, I think this should be fixed? (well, I removed support for the accusatives per the previous section). I'm reluctant to accelerate an entire table - it should be much easier to do vast quantities by bot (that way you don't have the problem if the page already exists but the section doesn't, etc.). Conrad.Irwin 11:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I can easily do most of them by hand and as quick as a bot, so I don't mind doing them. Thanks for the help, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 19:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The advantages of having a bot do them are a) they don't show in recent changes b) a bot is run by someone fluent in the language c) multiple forms with the same spelling are trivial using a bot d) a bot can create sections even when the page already exits (and can do the whole lot in one run more easily than filling in the blanks). I don't hugely mind if people want to implement links for entire tables themselves - but I am very reluctant to do this myself. Conrad.Irwin 20:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Either way, I am fine with it. I wouldn't mind if you would be willing to creationize them, and I also would not mind if you didn't.  If you would rather not creationize them, then I am fine doing it the way that I currently do it. Thanks, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 21:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Turkish noun forms
Please see melek. The two noun forms that I tried adding were incorrectly added. Please remove acceleration for the entire Turkish noun or try to fix it. Thanks, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 19:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Incorrect in what way? which forms? Conrad.Irwin 19:04, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yikes, that's a huge chart (I thought bots did that sort of thing). I think Razorflame is probably talking about all that are left green which all show " of melek". The two noun forms that Razorflame added were deleted by Mglovesfun half an hour ago. --Yair rand 19:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. That is what I am talking about.  It would need to either be fixed or be completely removed as it is not functioning correctly. <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 19:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * - I have no idea what Sinek was trying to do, perhaps one of you could try and work that out. (I managed not to have creation enabled which is why I couldn't see the links the first time, sorry) Conrad.Irwin 20:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I probably am not a good candidate for it as a) I don't speak Turkish, and b)I suck at templating. Furthermore, thanks for fixing the problem. <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 21:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Conrad, please see the forms that I've made for salak so far. I would like that entire table to be accelerated, and I will make all the forms of salak to give you a baseline as to how they should be accelerated. Thanks, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 19:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've told you why I will not accelerate entire tables before - by all means do it yourself, or find someone friendly, but, as above, I think these tables are much much better suited to bots (and not just because they are faster, they have the potential to make higher quality edits). Conrad.Irwin 19:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, cheers, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 20:09, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

eo-proper noun and uncountable eo-nouns
Could you make and  accelerated, as in the forms of Jupitero, sabato, and fido? ( is the same as  ) --Yair rand 03:22, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this should be done now. Conrad.Irwin 19:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it still doesn't have the links green. I tried doing a hard refresh and it still doesn't work. --Yair rand 00:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I fixed only half of it. Any more luck now (After )? Conrad.Irwin 20:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't clear enough what I was asking. As it is in the examples I gave, is supposed to make  or |on-properpl}}/|oj-properpl}}/|ojn-properpl}} if  equals "j", and  is supposed to make  . Sorry for the confusion. --Yair rand 02:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * When I make forms of proper nouns using, it doesn't enter the last section as "on-proper" Ultimateria 05:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry for being slow witted, I have submitted my latest attempt, let me know if it satisfies requirements yet. May I also suggest following the English template conventions for uncountable nouns. (i.e using instead of  or ) - it makes things easier on editors if templates work the same way. If you want a hand implementing it, then I can. Conrad.Irwin 13:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you're slow witted, I don't want to know what I am. Well, those templates would work, but I still want to use . I really just need the last parameter of the accelerated form to be "on-proper" as opposed to "on" as it is, so it will be categorized as a proper noun form. Ultimateria 23:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry that I have to keep bugging you about these, but the -oj suffix accelerated link in produces  (which shows up blank) instead . Other than that everything works great. --Yair rand 05:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

French again... :(
Hi I'm not sure if you did this in the first place or not but links for feminine forms of nouns (sg and pl) are broken has no accel link at all and 's link just makes it as "plural of xxxx". Can you take a look? 50 Xylophone Players talk 23:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC) PS see développeur: for an example.
 * Does the latest update fix it if you ? Conrad.Irwin 21:26, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but recently (and this has also happened with Esperanto nouns) when I click on a link it makes a double entry...Can you see what's wrong?
 * You have "importScript('User:Visviva/pretext.js');" in your monobook.js, I have recently had to use this for this project too, and there's no way to stop them conflicting reliably - the best thing to do is to just delete it from your monobook.js, I will try and move it to Common.js at some point and remove it from here. Conrad.Irwin 15:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Re, better edit summaries would be "Creating feminine singular form of" and "Creating feminine plural form of". Other than that, great! Mglovesfun (talk) 15:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Also (minor and of little importance) you can tidy up French feminine and feminine plural nouns by changing to  to avoid add count page, for French adjective there's  to replace the explicit category, although that would have the disadvantage of not linking the individual words of multi-word terms. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * was created because we explicitly don't want links like that in these templates; though doesn't accept lang= so it can't automatically link to the right language section of the page anyway. fr-adj-form seems reasonable; I'll try to work out how this thingy works again. Conrad.Irwin 01:05, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Ido plural fix
Hi there. When I use acceleration to make an Ido plural entry, it has a wikilink to Ido in the header of the entry. Can you remove the wikilink from the header when they are accelerated please? Thanks, <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 22:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You'll have to fix Template:io, I think. Conrad.Irwin 17:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's actually supposed to be linked, and Autoformat would probably re-link it if removed. --Yair rand 06:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Multiple-word Esperanto noun forms...
...keep ending up in Category:Esperanto words needing attention. They can be fixed easily by doing this. Can you get the template to do this automatically? I'm not sure how the parts of speech involved would affect this, because some are an adjective-noun combination (like nana galaksio), but a few are a noun-noun combination (like glacio planto). Ultimateria 20:24, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, glacio planto should be moved to glacia planto, which I am going to do right now. <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 20:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC) Actually, never mind. I see why I put it as such.  Glacia means icy, not ice, so it has to be glacio. <b style="color:#000">Ra</b><b style="color:#696969">z</b><b style="color:#808080">or</b><b style="color:#696969">fl</b><b style="color:#808080">ame</b> 20:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It can be done, providing there is a simple algorithm for changing the word endings; it looks like it is always "split before the last letter, and add a j", if so, I can do that. Conrad.Irwin 23:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * That's it exactly. Well, either j, n, or jn of course. Thank you! Ultimateria 23:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Finally done. Conrad.Irwin 01:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

en-noun starting with a hyphen
There won't be too many of these, of course, so maybe this is a WONTFIX, but ACCEL makes the inflection line (e.g.)  when the singular starts with a hyphen and uses  or { {en-noun}}. &#x200b;— msh210 ℠ 17:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Conrad.Irwin 01:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

IE compatibility
For IE compatibility, I added an indexOf to Array.prototype in Common.js. I think this is a good way and you can use it instead of array_indexOf if want. The rub that this introduces is that you can't use the  operator for looping over arrays because prototype methods are enumerable (ref). That's what I just fixed in my recent edit here. --Bequw → τ 17:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

pl-adj
Hello, can this be modified to allow quick creation for Polish comparative and superlative forms? In Polish, these are relatively regularly formed for short adjectives. Longer adjectives often take bardziej (equivalent to more) and najbardziej (equivalent to most), which I will try to incorporate into the template. --Volants 14:28, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * For English we don't create pages for "more exciting" etc. as they are sum-of-parts. If there are comparatives and superlatives that are formed as single words, then yes, support for them can be added. Conrad.Irwin 01:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Norwegian adjectives
How could definite singular and plural be implemented in the same entry? See ljos and template:nn-adj-1 for an example. --Harald Khan  Ճ  10:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * While we're at it: is it possible to split the superlative into indefinite and definite? --Harald Khan  Ճ  10:51, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. What I've typically done is to just "invent" new form-ofs as I come across a need for them, obviously by scanning through the source you can find existing ones (though I apologise for the mess) - at the moment "singular-definite" exists, so there's no reason that "superlative-definite" etc. shouldn't. Are you interested in doing this yourself, or shall I do it? Conrad.Irwin 11:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I know nada about JS, so I don't know too much about how the program flow goes. I'd really appreciate if you could do it ;-) - then we'll see if I am capable of doing some scripting myself in the future. --Harald Khan  Ճ  11:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm understanding more of the syntax now; but I just realised that I cannot edit the user page. Here's something more important than that above: when the language is either nn or nb, a second argument called something like "lang2-xx" should be callable. In the source code somewhere shoud we should have




 * in case the "lang2" argument is used. Essentially the entry is either 'nn' or 'nb' but its origin should be 'no'. --Harald Khan  Ճ  19:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I am hoping to migrate all of the mess at the top into the style of fr/en/eo at the bottom. I'll give it a go in the next hour or so. Conrad.Irwin 20:08, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I'm going to give up for now, a combination of tiredness and trying to wade through half a million norwegian inflection templates. I guess you want something like the following: All this function is trying to do is fill in the definition line. If you want to fix it, please do. Otherwise I'll have another wrestle in the future. Conrad.Irwin 22:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Once easter's over, I won't have too much time for Wiktionary for a while, so I suppose it has no haste (there aren't too many other active contributors focusing on Norwegian at the moment). Thank you for your efforts thus far (a bit blinded by the source code above, so no immediate comments on it). --Harald Khan  Ճ  23:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. I've added some comments, perhaps of dubious value. Conrad.Irwin 23:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I actually thought what I asked for was going to be pretty simple to implement; so I'll create a list to make sure nothing's lost:

==Norwegian Nynorsk==
 * 1) Right now it doesn't look like it is possible have a positive definite singular form of adjectives, nor is positive plural form of adjectives possible.
 * 2) It does not look like having two "definitions" created at the same time is possibel; i.e. I'd like the script to create the following entry for me (perhaps other templates, not sure what's best, but these work), from ljose:

Adjective
ljose



I imagine the -syntax could be something like    where form-of2 allows for a second "definition" (the syntax here might perhaps not be too compatible with the script as it is written, but you get the idea). None of this is possible until 1. is solved, though - neither positive-plural-form-of or positive-singular-definite-form-of work at present.
 * 1) The superlative stuff: once the syntax    and     work (which you introduced), this point should be solved.
 * 2) Lastly, the lang2 stuff: I imagined that this part was initiated by an   test - if lang2 is given, we create the entry as normal, apart from what the origin is (as I pointed out earlier).


 * I don't understand what  etc. is doing in the code, because all of the above points should work with any language, particularly the first three ones. I also thought that all of the stuff could be solved issue by issue (the second issue only depend on the first point with the given example).
 * Furthermore, I don't think it is necessary to "wade through half a million norwegian inflection templates", template:nn-adj-1 conatains all that's needed. I've also created a test for "lang2" in the template template:no-noun-infl, it may e.g. be testet at smaragd by clicking at "smaragdane". --Harald Khan  Ճ  16:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Here's a section from the script where I've implented lang2 in the way I thought it could be. I don't know if the code I've introduced has a coorect syntax.

Wouldn't this work? No need to include the Norwegian language codes in the source code. --Harald Khan  Ճ  07:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Where you are going to use the "langlink" variable? I do actually want to split the code up into per-language sections, there's much less between-language duplication than I thought, and the current mess leaves much to be desired. Conrad.Irwin 12:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 'langlink' is used where the 'origin' variable is defined; see the "// CHANGE:" comments. It just made more sense to me to define a new variable with a new name rather than redifining 'lang', to avoid confusion (if 'lang' is never used later in the script, then I suppose that it wouldn't matter, but I'm still not fond of it). If you feel that you must create a new "section" for Norwegian, could it not look like what I wrote above? It solves the lang2 problem at least, which is what bugs me the most at the moment (despite what the title of this debate reads). --Harald Khan  Ճ  12:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, I can see you've defined it (though you actually need to extract it from the class attribute of the span, and you shouldn't not define origin at the same time), but where does it fit into the output templates. The "for all languages" code, once it has set the variables, then loads a template from Special:PrefixIndex/User:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js/ and replaces the variables. I just don't see how to make langlink work with those. Conrad.Irwin 13:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you're the JS wiz, extracting lang2 should be a simple process, I reckon :-P. The 'langlink' variable is only used to create the string 'origin', right? How does the name of the variable affect the template - where is the template loaded? --Harald Khan  Ճ  13:22, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well... It's all a horrible mess. when you do "return variable('lang2', lang2)" (yes extracting it is easy), it actually returns "s//Norwegian/" - so it never gets to the bit where it sets origin. The template is then loaded by audoedit when the url is clicked on, and all the find-and-replaces are done then. Conrad.Irwin 13:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, all I wanted to was to set the variable 'langlink', not to exit the function. I am actually familiar with the "return" statement from Python, which (apparently) does much of the same job - I just didn't see it. I've changed the source; does it work now? --Harald Khan  Ճ  13:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've done what I think you meant. Let me know if it's wrong still. Conrad.Irwin 14:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It worked after a "Ctrl-F5". Thanks a million. :-D --Harald Khan  Ճ  14:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Catalan (2)
I seem to have unintentionally made accelerated. However, it seems to be working well without errors, any reason I couldn't add such links to and  as well? Mglovesfun (talk) 10:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Do whatever works. It helps if you add so I can try to keep (at least an approximate) eye on what's happening. Conrad.Irwin 12:14, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Tunisian Arabic (aeb)
Is there any way that aeb translations could be subcategorized under ar, just like Greek/Ancient Greek? Mglovesfun (talk) 23:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you meant to put this at "editor.js". The short answer is no, the long answer is "yes in the version that i use on my computer, but that is too buggy to let people use and I won't have time to fix it until july". Conrad.Irwin 20:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:ca-adj
Probably easy to fix, but I'm not seeing it. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see it either, can you link to a page with the problem? Conrad.Irwin 20:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * freds (original creation). Maybe something to do with it using mpl=freds, instead of . Mglovesfun (talk) 21:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The template author neglected to close the spans. Now fixed. Conrad.Irwin 21:14, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah what an idiot. Anyway, if there is anything to fix it can't be much as we don't have many Catalan adjective forms. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Main space only
Any way that accel links would only work in the main name space? Currently you can create inflected forms of templates, appendices, user talk pages, anything! Mglovesfun (talk) 22:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fun, isn't it :). Conrad.Irwin 22:23, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. It still works in the sandbox so's I can test it. (you've used it from there before, I noticed :p) Conrad.Irwin 22:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

When you specify a feminine form of a noun accelerated links aren't given for the feminine singular and plural. It seems that it previously did this, so I'm wondering did you disable this functionality or did an update to the code break it? It's useful for things like at least, IMO. 50 Xylophone Players talk 18:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my fault. Should now be fixed if you . Conrad.Irwin 21:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thx a lot. :) 50 Xylophone Players talk 11:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:pl-adv
Please can Template:pl-adv become accelerated? I have tried with cieplej (comparative of ciepło), but this appears as an adjective, not adverb. --Volants 10:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed, if you . Conrad.Irwin 14:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

more French problems
Hey again, just now when I was creating some noun plurals I noticed that when it creates the line using there is no "lang=fr" generated so unless this is added manually the entry ends up in the French and the English plurals categories. Can you fix this please? 50 Xylophone Players talk 21:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Sorry for the delay. Conrad.Irwin 11:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

fr-noun
You won't like this much. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Dutch form entries
I noticed that the script is using a few deprecated templates for Dutch adjective and noun entries, and the format for nouns is also not quite correct. For nouns, the format should follow that of the forms of laken and for adjectives it should follow that of wijd. Currently we also have a bot MewBot to create adjective entries, but the ones created by the accelerated script don't quite match. Do you think it might be better to remove acceleration support for adjectives entirely since we have a bot that does it anyway? —CodeCat 08:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that sounds like a good idea to me. Conrad.Irwin 23:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've removed the acceleration from the adjective templates. But for nouns it's still useful because there is no bot that does nouns (yet). So if you could fix up how the acceleration script generates noun form entries, that would be great. —CodeCat 08:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Conrad.Irwin 11:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it doesn't seem to work. Auto-creating the entries for toetsenbord still uses the generic templates. Also, do you think maybe it's a better idea to use (with just the language parameter, no POS parameter) for all languages? As far as I know, that's preferred to just bolding the word, because some languages use special formatting and different fonts (especially with different scripts and such). —CodeCat 17:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Edit: Never mind, I just scrolled up and saw I needed to clear my cache for it to work. So now it works, almost. The template is missing an | between the name and the first parameter. —CodeCat 17:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have noticed that. Conrad.Irwin 08:33, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Enigmatic message
When I visit a page with a green link (possibly only French pages with green links, I haven't checked) I get a pop-up message with the message: "The page at http://en.wiktionary.org/ says:" (title) and then "mfpl-positive" or some such, depending on the page. See pingre for an example. —Internoob (Disc•Cont) 02:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed, I left the debugging help in there. Conrad.Irwin 08:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Template:pl-decl-noun
Please can we add ACCEL to Template:pl-decl-noun. At the moment the table has clickable links (neither red nor green) to empty pages. The possible problem is that some Polish noun forms e.g. pianina have more than one meanings. --Volants 11:10, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

template:he-adj
Would you mind accelerating this template's, , and parameters, please? When he-adj is used in ENTRY, the acceleration would create, for, an entry with: <poem style="font-family:monospace;padding-left:1em;border-left:1px solid blue"> ==Hebrew==

Adjective
{{he-adj-form|g=f|n=s| wv={{{fdw|fwv|if that's defined at ENTRY, otherwise leave wv= out}}}| fp={{{fp|if that's defined at ENTRY, otherwise leave fp= out}}}| fpwv={{{fpdwv|fwpwv|if one of those and fp are defined at ENTRY, otherwise leave fpwv= out}} }}


 * 1)  For, an entry  with: <poem style="font-family:monospace;padding-left:1em;border-left:1px solid blue"> ==Hebrew==

Adjective
{{he-adj-form|g=f|n=p| wv={{{fpdwv|fpwv|if one of those is defined at ENTRY, otherwise leave wv= out}}}| fs={{{f|if that's defined at ENTRY, otherwise leave fs= out}}}| fswv={{{fdwv|fwv|if one of those and fs are defined at ENTRY, otherwise leave fswv= out}} }}


 * 1)  And for, an entry  with:<poem style="font-family:monospace;padding-left:1em;border-left:1px solid blue"> ==Hebrew==

Adjective

 * 1)  Thanks much. &#x200b;—msh210℠ (talk) 17:09, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Ido plurals
A very minor thing, but as with English previously, there's an extra space after the head word when the gender template disappears. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Linking components when it shouldn't
, autolinked "Bowman's" and "capsule" even though neither were linked from the source page. Nadando 04:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Template:ru-noun-anim-1
Could you modify this script to include the declensions for this template? It would ease work on creating the new entries. Thanks. TeleComNasSprVen 20:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Could this template be made accelerated-compatible? is, but not the verb version. Shouldn't be difficult as Esperanto is a very regular language. Thanks. Tempodivalse  [talk]  20:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Could this template be added too? It's perfectly regular so it should be easy. Thanks, Malafaya 18:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Would you be able to add this template to the list? A lot of plurals are regular with the ending -en, so the template does that by default unless a different plural is specified. An example of a word that's been done is Aarm/Äerm, one that hasn't is Apel/Äppel. Cheers, BigDom (t • c) 21:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. --Yair rand 21:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, appreciate it. BigDom (t • c) 21:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Request
Should be simple, but too complex for my brain. Basically, I need for the feminine plural in to be accelerated, but the format will be a bit more involved than a regular adjective in, say, Spanish. ==Albanian==

Participle

 * 1) {{feminine plural of|  ==

{{ping|Erutuon}} At the moment, if the lemma contains display-only diacritics, then you have to specify the lemma in the acceleration tags. At the same time, the display form of the lemma already is on the page containing the accelerated links. It's in the headword of the POS section, after all, and it's tagged with the class  by Module:headword. I'm thinking, what if, instead of requiring the lemma to be specified with the acceleration tags, the script could simply search backwards from the link until it finds the "headword" class? Then the  tag wouldn't be needed at all anymore.

The same could perhaps be done with  as well, since they are classed as. However, there is a possibility for multiple headwords and multiple transliterations, and pairing them is not trivial. Another problem is embedded links in the headword line, like those for multi-word terms. We shouldn't care about the link, but the lemma should be plain text, so any links and other tags still have to be stripped before we get the lemma. —Rua (mew) 14:09, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * {{reply to|Rua}} I don't see how it can work to remove the origin parameter and look at the nearest headword for words with two displayed forms, like Ancient Greek or Latin words with a variable-length vowel. I don't have a good example, but if we had a table for both versions of {{m|grc|καλός}}, {{lang|grc|κᾰλός}} and {{lang|grc|κᾱλός}}, then the script would arbitrarily choose one of them to use as the origin parameter (whichever was last), and it would not necessarily match the length of the form in the table. So I think logically the origin parameter is sometimes needed, though practically I'm not sure how often this situation will arise. — Eru·tuon 17:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The origin parameter could be reintroduced but as an override to the default. Also, I'm not sure what you mean on {{m|grc|καλός}}, I only see one headword and inflection there. —Rua (mew) 18:02, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * {{reply to|Rua}} Yeah, but there are two pronunciations. I've just added a second declension table. — Eru·tuon 18:10, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't really have a good solution for this, and it's frustrating me. How would you propose solving it without having to put "origin" on every link? —Rua (mew) 18:14, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, perhaps there could be a wrapping element that contains the  parameter. For instance, in Ancient Greek declension tables it could be stuck in   in the table element, and the table element could have some class to signal that the acceleration should find it and process all accelerated children of it, giving the origin parameter to each of them. That would require reworking the accelerated link gathering part of the script a bit. — Eru·tuon 18:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That seems less bad a solution. But what about accelerated links in headword lines? There doesn't seem to be a wrapping element there. —Rua (mew) 18:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably there should be an element wrapping the headword line in which the origin parameter can be placed. But it's not always true that every form in the headword has the same origin parameter, for instance if the headword of {{m|grc|καλός}} displayed all of {{lang|grc|κᾰλή κᾱλή κᾰλόν κᾱλόν}}. I guess dealing with forms in the headword that have different origin parameters would require manually inputting the origin parameter for each, which might not be worth the trouble. (Fortunately for me, Ancient Greek headwords don't have acceleration at the moment.) I wonder if the script could figure out if there are multiple possible origin parameters in the headword line. — Eru·tuon 18:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thinking about this more, it seems that the fundamental problem with {{m|grc|καλός}} is that there are really two terms, not just one. One is {{m|grc|κᾰλός}} and the other is {{m|grc|κᾱλός}}. They have different pronunciations, inflections and also usage context (since the latter is Ionic and the former is Attic). They happen to end up on the same page because we happen to consider breves and macrons not part of the orthography of Ancient Greek. However, the entire problem would be solved if we did treat them each as separate terms, giving each its own POS section and headword. Then it would be clear which inflection goes with which headword, but also which pronunciation goes with which headword. It wouldn't just be clear to automated scripts, but to human users as well. How would other dictionaries deal with this situation?
 * Consider also the related situation of Latin, where we have both the lemma {{m|la|puella}} and its ablative singular form {{m|la|puellā}} on the same page. We currently entirely ignore the latter, its pronunciation is missing from the entry and so is its headword. If we wanted to include it, how would we do so? —Rua (mew) 18:44, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, I suppose that the two vowel lengths of {{m|grc|καλός}} could be considered different terms, but they share endings and meanings, and are even used interchangeably in some works or genres according to the LSJ entry, so it's convenient to treat them in the same entry. Even when that isn't the case, the script has to account for entry layouts that exist. As for {{m|la|puellā}} and similar cases, I think a few entries give them a separate POS section or treat them in a definition line in the POS section for its lemma.
 * Perhaps in cases of ambiguity the script could grab all potentially applicable origin forms and ask the user to decide which ones should be used in the entry. At minimum, it could show them above the textbox and expect the user to insert them into the proper places, or if someone wants to do a lot of coding (unlikely), there could be some sort of UI that lets you choose and then figures out how to generate the correct wikitext. — Eru·tuon 19:00, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's even worth bothering trying to "fix" this when the thing that's broken isn't our scripts, but our whole set of assumptions of what words and lemmas are. Our problem is that we tie lemmas to words, whereas lemmas by their nature contain many words. On one hand, we have the concept of a "lemma form", but this whole discussion arises from the fact that there are multiple possible lemma forms and we can't seem to decide on one. I say that {{m|grc|καλός}} should be the lemma, with no diacritics at all, and only the inflections should list possible alternatives. This is much more in line with the Wikidata approach, where lemmas aren't even considered words and have no such thing as a pronunciation, only forms have that prerogative. It makes a lot more sense. Then we could say that the lemma {{m|grc|καλός}} has two possible masculine nominative singular forms, {{m|grc|κᾰλός}} and {{m|grc|κᾱλός}}. It would also solve the {{m|la|puella}} situation: you'd have the lemma on one hand, and then on the same page there would be entries for the forms, with pronunciations for each. One for the form {{m|la|puella}} and one for the form {{m|la|puellā}}. —Rua (mew) 19:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That model sounds like it would have benefits, but I am not sure how it could be applied to Wiktionary. We have to show one or more versions of the lemma form; we don't have IDs for lemmas. I think the script should do its best to accommodate Wiktionary's model, as annoying as it may be in some cases. — Eru·tuon 20:32, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've made a post at WT:BP regarding the matter. It's really more of an essay and an invitation for people to think about it more deeply, than a real proposal. —Rua (mew) 20:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The main problem I see is that most people just want acceleration to work, and don't think about these details. A lot of templates that might need origin currently don't have it. This is a way to make them work anyway. —Rua (mew) 18:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * {{reply to|Rua}} Thank you. It's a great idea as long as it can be overridden when necessary. — Eru·tuon 18:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)