Module talk:Quotations/grc/data

About link changes
See Grease_pit/2024/February Updating here, as M Erutuon suggested - notifying. PS. Some el.wikisource pages are terrible, like Pindar Ολυμπιόνικοι, the impossible links at Euclides Στοιχεία/β, the #v and the #p and the #p. Maybe the old perseus.tufts.edu which often offers an English translation at the right.menu, would be useful for our readers? The problem is that perseus uses 4 params work-book--chapter-section, unlike LSJ's Work-Book-Chapter.0 with a dot. &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; I 20:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, linking to Perseus certainly has some advantages, like the translation functionality (IMO the new https://scaife.perseus.org/ is even better). However, some things I like about the wikisource pages is that (at least for the plays) we can include a list of characters and mark strophes and anti-strophes etc.
 * For simple quotations on Wiktionary switching to perseus.tufts.edu (or scaife.perseus.org) might indeed be a good idea. If it is at all possible to get working links to scaife.perseus.org that might have my preference, since you can actually link to individual lines (e.g. line 27: https://scaife.perseus.org/reader/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0011.tlg005.perseus-grc2:27).
 * I do want to continue working on improving the Wikisource pages in the meantime. I think the pages for Sophocles' plays are already looking a bit better. AntiquatedMan (talk) 09:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Good work for Sophocles at el.wikisource Mr ! Yes, I like scaife (but not a good navigation for all Chapters there). Sometimes my fav is perseus.tufts.edu, others, scaife.perseus (for shorter paragraphs, or lines). And sometimes, bg (books.google) e.g. Pindarus.links here + I find Eng.transl elsewhere. &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; I 13:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm having trouble with the template as well, but not for Homer. At I want to link to Των_περί_τα_ζώα_ιστοριών/2, but typing grc returns a link to (the nonexistent) Των_περί_τα_ζώα_ιστοριών/ —Mahāgaja · talk 20:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * , it has chapters are #Κεφάλαιο (but this is non-Bekker numbering marking and there are no Bekker anchors in this work. I enter wikisource Των_περί_τα_ζώα_ιστοριών/2 or better place {anchor|500a}before the 500a number. I hope the Q template allows manual params (also: it is "λόγου χάριν" setphrase, not "λόγου χάρις"@scaife.perseus.wrong [@scaife.perseus]  &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; I 21:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The entry has been moved to [[λόγου χάριν]], but the problem with the link remains. The problem is not just that the anchor is wrong, but the page itself is wrong too. The link goes to the non-existent page Των_περί_τα_ζώα_ιστοριών/ instead of Των_περί_τα_ζώα_ιστοριών/2. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Artistotles works are in dire need of standardization. The rlFormat (=5) for 'History of Animals' is shared with 'Problems' and 'Nicomachean Ethics'. However:
 * 'Problems' doesn't have its Bekker-numbering in place
 * 'Nichomachean Ethics' does Bekker-numbering for chapter-sections, but also "regular" line-numbering with template:σ. However, this regular line-numbering restarts with each Bekker-number, which breaks, because the two numbering systems respond to seperate links (which means that links in -#1 just link to the first {σ|1} for the entire chapter).
 * None of the links generated by rlFormat 5 (for Aristotle) are correct.
 * (b.t.w. for Aristotle, six different rlFormats are uses, which is odd, since all of them are in theory covered by Bekker-numbering) AntiquatedMan (talk) 10:58, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * would you use Q for inital data only, like this?: ++ also Loeb has Bekker selecvtion too Loeb 500, a click Enter
 * , sure, using ref like that works, but I'd rather have the module fixed so that using the template in the normal way works correctly. Who knows how many entries already use Q for Aristotle and have broken links? —Mahāgaja · talk 07:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * , Sir, perhaps extra choices of sources at a Template:RQ:... using the beginning {Q|grc|Arist|Work .. + further links for text, Eng.translation etc. -For some writers, as with Pindar (cf links above), and many others, wikisource is not a desired link?-. &#8209;&#8209;Sarri.greek &#9835; I 10:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I would agree that it would be preferable to "fix" (and simplify/standardize) the module, even if it may seem like more work. There currently seem to be ~327 entries that feature quotes from Aristotle, which all things considered seems a practicable amount if we decide to adopt a (new) singular standard for Aristotle quote-formatting. The bigger job will be to work out and implement a standard layout + anchors on the Greek Wikisource pages, which would also involve some cross-communication with the folks there. BTW, I probably won't be able to do much the coming week. AntiquatedMan (talk) 10:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)