Module talk:mh-pronunc

Oddities
{yanȩy-waytak} is showing the phonetic transcription. Seems like the rounding of the is bleeding across the. Similarly with {yanȩy-weytak}:. I would have expected something like and  (ignoring the question of the precise realization of ), with the  only affected by. — Eru·tuon 23:23, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Excellent, this issue has been fixed, as the current transcriptions are — Eru·tuon 19:38, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Regarding, the current transcription of Āne-jaōeōe {yane‌̧y-jahe‌̧yhe‌̧y}: does epenthesis in /VGGVG#/ lengthen the first or second vowel? In /VGCVG#/ where C is a non-glide consonant, the first vowel can be lengthened, but in /VCGVG#/ the second, so it could go either way. — Eru·tuon 20:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)


 * It's not a question of which vowel is lengthened (as a sequence of two of the same vowel are a long vowel), but in this case which of two possible surface realizations takes precedence between two glides that do not share secondary articulation. For the most part, the code is set up so that a vowel between two glides prefers a surface realization colored by the glide on the right, but {h} takes precedence over {y} or {w} regardless of whether {h} occurs on the left or the right.  It is done this way to avoid the possibility of a  glide surfacing as any of, because  is not permitted to surface as a glide at all.  While most GVG sequences have the vowel's surface realization preferring the glide to the vowel's right, there are some exceptions to this (besides just preventing ), making it occasionally possible for a glide phoneme to neighbor only a vowel or vowels whose surface realizations disagree with the glide's secondary articulation.  When a glide is "squeezed" like this, I've written it so that the glide surfaces phonetically.  Better the possibility of  occurring than of  occurring.  If there were no exceptions to the GVG-leaning-right rule, then Āne-jaōeōe might instead be  (, implicitly ), which actually was the result in earlier module tests. - Gilgamesh~enwiki (talk) 21:47, 14 November 2019 (UTC)