Module talk:vi-pron

gia tộc
Is IPA produced correct? E.g. /z̻aː˧˧ tɜwʔk͡p̚˧ˀ˨ʔ/ looks wrong. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 12:28, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Which part of the IPA looks incorrect? Wyang (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. It's a great module! I was confused by k͡p̚. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

are you sure all three dialects have double articulation for -c, -ng, etc.? I though that's just a Hanoian feature. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 03:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * That's what I heard in Saigon Vietnamese. Please also see: Thompson, "Saigon Phonemics", Language, Vol. 35, No. 3 (Jul. - Sep., 1959), pp. 460 -

"/ŋ/ Dorsal (mediovelar) nasals.
 * Final after /u w/: [ŋ] with simultaneous labial closure.
 * Final after /o/: [ŋ] with simultaneous labial closure (more common), in free variation with [ŋ] strongly labialized.
 * Final after /ɔ/: [ŋ] weakly labialized.
 * Elsewhere (i.e. initial and final except after /u w o ɔ/): [ŋ]."


 * Wyang (talk) 11:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not really seeing a match when it comes to the tones in Southern Vietnamese ̣(TPHCM). Why are flat/level tones for North transcribed as high-rising tones for HCMC? 129.186.251.92 17:13, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry! I missed this message. Indeed it should be mid-level. Wyang (talk) 09:08, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Ix-ra-en - Lua error in Module:vi-pron at line 389: Unrecognised final: "ix"
Hi,

How should "ix" be pronounced? Could you add it to the module, please? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:31, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I-xra-en? Wyang (talk) 12:38, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I thought so too. Not sure if is official. "I-xra-en" is attestable, thanks, I'll use it instead. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 12:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

[r]
I edited the module according to how the [r] often pronounced in the Sài Gòn dialect (/ɹ/). Also in recent loanwords (from English or French), [r] is all /ɹ/ or /ɾ/ (according to speakers) in all varieties and all situations.PhanAnh123 (talk) 11:44, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Ă and Â
I decided to change all the /ɐ/ to /a/ and all the /ɜ/ to /ə/, as this is a the most common way of phonetic transliteration made by linguists and also presents in other Wiktionary.PhanAnh123 (talk) 08:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Wyang (talk) 09:06, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Quốc
There're a problem with the IPA transcription of in Southern Vietnamese, which should be [wək̚], not [uək̚].PhanAnh123 (talk) 07:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Also I don't think [kh] is dropped before /w/ in Southern Vietnamese. Most of the times, only in /kw/ and /hw/ that the initial consonants are dropped.PhanAnh123 (talk) 07:24, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, both should be fixed. Wyang (talk) 07:31, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Hỏi tone
This module consistently gives the hỏi tone huyền-like tone modifiers for the Hanoi dialect, as in mở [məː˧˩]. This strikes me as obviously wrong, unless I'm misreading the tone modifiers. Anyone know what the correct modifiers would be? Would it be [˧˩˦], similar to the Saigon dialect? – Minh Nguyễn &#x1f4ac; 19:41, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

vi-pron diaplays nothing
vi --沈澄心✉ 11:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --沈澄心✉ 12:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @沈澄心: These changes are causing "1" to be appended to every transclusion of . Minh Nguyễn &#x1f4ac; 00:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed —Fish bowl (talk) 00:52, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Southern final /n/
Fumiko Take has been removing pronunciations from foreign loans ending in -n and replacing them with a usage note saying the final -n is pronounced /n/ rather than /ŋ/ in the south, f.ex. diff. If this is indeed a thing (?) could the template be modified to indicate this? Better have full and correct information than just a lousy usage note. MuDavid 栘𩿠 (talk) 07:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If a word is clearly foreign origin from an European language, speakers might make some effort to pronounce it with final instead of . Although I think it's far too inconsistent even within one speaker (they might have  for foreign  in one sentence, but  the next) to generalize too much here. It's similar to the initial rhotic in foregin words for speakers of the inland Northern dialects where it's not a phoneme, it's inconsistent. PhanAnh123 (talk) 08:02, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I imagine it won’t be particularly consistent. But we do show the initial rhotic in our Northern pronunciations; should we show Southern final as well then? MuDavid 栘𩿠 (talk) 01:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Recent change

 * It looks like your recent edit broke something, because Category:IPA pronunciations with invalid IPA characters is now flooded with Vietnamese entries. Could you take a look, please? —Mahāgaja · talk 09:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mahagaja This is because of invalid IPA (specifically brackets) coming from inserting multiple pronunciations into a single pronunciation argument. Formerly the IPA was manually generated. I will fix this in a the next day or so. Benwing2 (talk) 03:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mahagaja Should be fixed. Benwing2 (talk) 07:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)