Reconstruction talk:Latin/eccum ipse

Attested in Plautus
"Sed optume eccum ipse aduenit". Can this be moved to the mainspace? Kwékwlos (talk) 18:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Nicodene Kwékwlos (talk) 18:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Nicodene Kwékwlos (talk) 17:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not really clear that the quote shows 'eccum ipse' as a unit, rather than simply the two words in sequence. Will have to do a bit of research. Nicodene (talk) 17:49, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * A translation given here (https://archive.org/stream/plautuswithengli03plauuoft/plautuswithengli03plauuoft_djvu.txt) states: But here's
 * luck! I literally glossed it as "but, O best-that arrive" or literally, "But that comes the best [thing]!", so it is indeed treated as a unit. Kwékwlos (talk) 17:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not at all what it says. Understanding a Latin text requires actually knowing the language to some extent.
 * The translation at that link is good. It works like this:
 * > "But [sed] here's luck [optume]! Look! [eccum] There comes [aduenit] that [ille] stranger [hospes] himself [ipse]
 * that [qui] brought [attulit] the  letter [has litteras]!
 * That is more or less how I'd read it, very much with eccum being an entity of its own. Nicodene (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC)