Reconstruction talk:Proto-Georgian-Zan/šol-

, : see the forms compared by Chukhua. They look even closer to Semitic. კვარია (talk) 15:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess that means that the Proto-Georgian-Zan term is a Northeast Caucasian borrowing, since Northeast Caucasian preserves a more primitive meaning “branch, bough”, whips being made from branches or boughs primitively. The Semitic terms took a different path then, bypassing the /l/ in Georgian-Zan and hinting at the original meaning in, . Fay Freak (talk) 18:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd say Mingrelian preserves the primitive meaning: see 🇨🇬,, , . If Semitic really has no etymology, this could be some kind of wanderwort. კვარია (talk) 18:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Right, I can’t really tell what the presence of the liquid in Georgian-Zan and its absence in NEC tells us. But as we see that the bough/branch/wood-strip meanings are more primitive and Mingrelian has them mainly, I reason that they, i.e. something like a long strip or large superficial cut of wood from a branch, were the meaning of the Proto-Georgian-Zan word—if it existed at all. It may of course have been borrowed separately after the proto-stage. The variation within the Kartvelian group may be an argument for this (or not, depending on how regular). You/Kartvelianists only made the proto entry because of the bias of not knowing the word in another language group where it could be native. Fay Freak (talk) 19:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 🇨🇬 ~ 🇨🇬 < is *perfectly* regular.  vs  isn't a show-stopper at all, in fact it's irrelevant. As for the meaning of "whip" in Proto form, I had to rely on Čuxua for this because Fähnrich never provides the basic meaning of the Proto form itself (which I find really annoying to be honest). I'm open to suggestions though.
 * Also if you recall, I was always open to consider this an ancient borrowing during the times of Karto-Zan unity (so ~7th century BC). კვარია (talk) 20:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I am also inclining to that then. I guess you also find more cognates for our wanderwort reflected as, ? The structure is alike and I see no sound swap typical of Semitic here. Fay Freak (talk) 20:38, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There is also Akkadian šarāṭu "tear into strips",, . These seem to be native Semitic. PS. Kvaria, it is not a good idea to create a full entry for each alternative reconstruction. Please use Template:alternative reconstruction of to avoid duplication. Vahag (talk) 19:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I was going to ask you to merge them anyhow. Personally I prefer Čuxua's reconstruction for this, but Fähnrich is Fähnrich. კვარია (talk) 20:07, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I found in, with a usage example . A borrowing from Georgian? Vahag (talk) 19:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. The irregularity is already attested in Georgian's supposed Mingrelian cognate and I'm going to assume it can't be from Turkish (← Arabic) due to vocalism. And once again  is similar. We should just move Semitic comparisons to this page from OGE. კვარია (talk) 20:25, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have noticed that the alternation of aspirated ~ unaspirated is very irregular in Kartvelian. For example, in . Vahag (talk) 13:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)