Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-European/gras-

RFD discussion: August 2022–May 2023
User is creating quite a few questionable Proto-Indo-European entries, including this one, often mal-reconstructed with only one descendant listed, if any at all. Also see:, , etc. --Skiulinamo (talk) 07:04, 29 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Why do you say these are questionable? I have references by Pokorny and Mallory as a minimum.
 * Listing a few descendants does not preclude others more well-versed in other families from checking and listing more? Where is the requirement that all descendants be listed all at once please?
 * Thanks. Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 09:20, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Pokorny is largely obsolete. You are creating reconstructions based on just one or two descendants and one modern reference. The verifiability of your reconstructions is under doubt. --Vahag (talk) 11:25, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Proto-Indo-Iranian also has a lot of terms that have no PIE cognates, so creating a PIE entry on the basis of one family is no bueno. --Skiulinamo (talk) 15:59, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the inputs.
 * I agree that Pokorny is outdated. However, I am not creating reconstructions, I'm only adding reconstructions to Wiktionary given by scholarly works such as Mallory (and Pokorny).
 * As I've tried to say, my intention was to only include those reflexes in subfamilies I am more familiar with, I thought it was only right that others in this space who specialize in specific subfamilies may get to work on those bits. (I've now made an attempt to include a Hittite reflex for example - from referenced sources but it would be better done by someone who's more familiar with Hittite.)
 * In another case, I wanted to include (in line with my references) a reflex claimed under another root but didn't want to change/delete stuff without discussing it properly there.
 * Alongside Mallory as the modern reference, at the very least I'm now looking to adding Rix/LIV refs as well. Thanks. Dyḗwsuh₃nus (talk) 19:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are incapable of adding information other than Sanskrit, it demonstrates that you lack the knowledge to edit PIE entries and you shouldn't be creating them. This isn't just about reading sources, but also understanding the material. --Skiulinamo (talk) 19:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)


 * To address this entry specifically, delete. Sanskrit  could conceivably be derived from . Also, please note,, we reconstruct PIE roots on the project in e-grade, with some rare exceptions. --Skiulinamo (talk) 21:59, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , I've added to, which is a pretty plausible, if not probable, derivation. --Skiulinamo (talk) 15:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete for reasons stated above. --Ghirlandajo (talk) 10:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * RFD-deleted -- 𝓑𝓱𝓪𝓰𝓪𝓭𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓪(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴) 05:54, 8 May 2023 (UTC)