Reconstruction talk:Proto-Indo-Iranian/Hrā́ćš

Hindi and Sanskrit
, Greetings. Some help is needed for the etymology section of Hindi and Sanskrit. The Hindi term is borrowed from the Sanskrit term, so their etymologies should be the same, but currently the etymology for both Hindi and Sanskrit terms seem to be different. Is the correct form  or  ? Also, with regards to the form, is it derived from  or, both of which is derived from ? Thanks for taking your time to read this. KevinUp (talk) 10:15, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The noun is an n stem noun in Sanskrit, meaning it takes a long ā in the nominative singular and becomes  which is then borrowed into Hindi.


 * Where does come from? Certainly not from *Hrā́ĉš which is the exact formal predecessor of, a term that is so old and archaic that it has been found in the Rig Veda only. So I believe राजन् is an Indo-Aryan innovation based on the STEM form of *Hrā́ĉš which is  *Hrā́ĵ and then affixing to it a stem ending. As such  may not have had an exact PII/PIE ancestor but rather might have been secondarily derived. -- Bhagadatta (talk) 19:40, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I added the etymology for based on the descendants listed in this page. Seems like there are two Sanskrit terms,  and  that are derived from   and  respectively, originally derived from   and  respectively, both ultimately derived from.


 * Anyway, I hope User:Victar can help explain how  is derived from  (via  or  or )? KevinUp (talk) 00:25, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * (awesome username), you can find the etymologies for, , on the  entry. --Victar (talk) 17:37, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The exact formal PIE/PII ancestor of may not have existed. In the event that it did, it certainly was not ; it would have yielded a laryngeal (*H) in PII (thus the word would be *Hrā́ĵaH) and it would be an ā stem in Sanskrit and not an n stem. Also I may want to erase the etymology at ; the convention is that we provide etymologies for the stem forms of nouns and not their inflections. Although the nom. sg  is the one that continues nom. sg. *Hrā́ṭṣ and nom. sg. *Hrā́ĉš, the etymology will be at the main lemma form, which is .-- Bhagadatta (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2018 (UTC)