Reconstruction talk:Proto-Italic/spektrom

RFD discussion: October–December 2021
Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/spektrom is now listed as a Proto-Italic ancestor of Latin. However, I think this must be incorrect, as there is good evidence that Latin spectrum was a neologism invented to translate Greek. Per Wikipedia: "Catius's spectrum is equivalent to simulacrum in Lucretius, but the term spectrum does not appear again in Latin until the 17th century and must represent Catius's attempt to create a specialized vocabulary" (citing David Sedley's Lucretius and the Transformation of Greek Wisdom). "The Proto-Indo-European Instrument Noun Suffix *-tlom and its Variants", by Birgit Anette Olsen (1988), gives a fairly comprehensive overview of inherited Latin vocabulary with the suffix *tlom (or any of its variants such as *trom), and does not mention spectrum; furthermore, a Proto-Italic form in *trom is inconsistent with the pattern Olsen identifies for the original distribution of *-tlom vs. *-trom (she says *-trom is found immediately after *s or when the stem contains *r or *l, while *-tlom is expected to occur elsewhere; therefore, *spek- should be followed by the allomorph *tlom, which we do in fact find as the source of the more frequent word ). As the Proto-Italic reconstruction is unsourced and seems to conflict with the information in the sources I mentioned above, can we delete the entry?--Urszag (talk) 08:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. Also changes in and  should be reverted, and Reconstruction:Proto-Italic/spektlom should be deleted.
 * See also Etymology_scriptorium/2021/October.
 * Arfrever (talk) 02:28, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * On the brighter side, there's Information desk/2021/October... Chuck Entz (talk) 04:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * RFD-deleted. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 04:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)