Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/kuni

Etymology
The Southern Ryukyuan evidence allows us to reconstruct PJ, and not **kuni, and I want to suggest a connection to. I believe that the Japanese admired their wide country/land; here's an example from MYS.13.3236:

Chuterix (talk) 16:28, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Impossible. In the first place, vowel of 鞬 is o₂, not o₁ and never changes into u in Old Japanese. And Ryukyuan equivalents are totally borrowed from mainland. kuni originally means region/land/homeland, Ryukyuans already have *sima in that sense, the meaning as country/nation/state is relatively newer.
 * This term seems to be originally a mainland specific compound which is something like *kó «粉, "powder" (露出形: 黄 *kói, "yellow")» + *núi «丹, "soil, especially red clay", (ryukyuan equivalent is *mi, indicating strange *mʲ/n shift)» → *kónúi, in the meaning of "land, clay". (btw I think to use -y in PJ is bad because it makes misunderstanding as if independent consonant *y can stands as a final consonant even it don't contribute any descendents and their inflections)
 * If it were from PJ, the second vowel must dropped and turned to -N. It also can be *kuni as part of proper nouns; in Yonaguni, 与那国 yonaguni is /dunaN/, both of vowels have dropped off and shortened into /N/.--荒巻モロゾフ (talk) 19:11, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @荒巻モロゾフ IIRC Vovin reconstructs this vowel because it is deleted due to the law that consonant clusters must not exist in Japonic. Chuterix (talk) 20:08, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @荒巻モロゾフ P.S. *khunī would be expected in mainland (Nakijin) Kunigami. Chuterix (talk) 20:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The uniformity of the Ryukyuan terms does suggest a later borrowing. Compare the variety of forms seen in the descendants of 🇨🇬 or .  For 🇨🇬, all of the Ryukyuan terms are basically the same as mainland 🇨🇬.  This would only happen if the term were a borrowing some time after the languages split apart.  Were this an inheritance from the proto language, we would expect to see instead a similar degree of variance as we see with other terms. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Eirikr: This could happen in PJ . Chuterix (talk) 21:34, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Re: *koruma, I suspect you're basing that on the Ryukyuan terms. However, the uniformity of Ryukyuan terms again suggests a later borrowing, not an inheritance.  This would mean that you're reconstructing a proto form based on what is likely a post-proto borrowing from mainland Japanese. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 00:17, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah... Chuterix (talk) 00:31, 27 July 2023 (UTC)