Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/nenpuru

nay- portion
@Chuterix, what reason do you have for reconstructing 寝 (ne) as *nay-? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


 * While usually it's hard to tell whether OJ syllable ne goes back to *ne, *nay or *nia, but the ultimate answer to this is that *n-ay- is that it's a conjugation of . Usually for shimo nidan verbs the infinitive stem is -e2-, never -e1-. Chuterix (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm, hmm, interesting, thank you. The /ne/ man'yōgana apparently don't distinguish.  Digging around in the MYS, I did find poem 10.2023 using the spelling 左尼始而 for sane somete, using 尼 for ne.  Confusingly, this is used for di, ni, and ne, and the Middle Chinese phonetics suggest a stronger leaning towards ni, suggestive of ne₁ if such a thing existed.
 * What I've found for other 下二段 verbs seems scattershot. See tuke₁te for verb 付けて in MYS 20.4366, spelled as 都祁弖 (tuke₁te, where 弖 is of unclear 甲乙 value).  That said, I think books 14 and 20 contain mostly Eastern, so perhaps that's the reason for the /e₁/?
 * I've run out of time to spend on this for now. :) ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 02:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)