Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/paimpi

Problematic reconstruction
This reconstruction is currently sitting at the troublesome spelling of pVmpV, moved here from an also-problematic papimi.

Modern Japanese and Ryukyuan dialectal variations pertaining to the word "snake", sometimes more specifically "venomous snake", include:



Historically, Old Japanese sources seem clear that the second syllable was /m/, with Japanese references holding that this later shifted to /b/.

As noted at the Gogen Yurai entry, some connection to seems likely. See also, cited in 918 and apparently just the nominalization of hamu "to bite".

Given attested Middle Korean form, any connection there appears more tenuous, certainly more so than the modern form , which resemblance to OJP pe₂mi now seems more accidental. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Eirikr: Sources for your variations? Chuterix (talk) 02:58, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Chuterix -- JLect lists a lot at https://www.jlect.com/search.php?r=%E8%9B%87&l=ryukyu&group=words, and lists more in the Etymology sections within the entries themselves, such as at https://www.jlect.com/entry/1212/hibi/. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 06:09, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Eirikr: I could find fewer lists than what you listed:
 * This seems like you've taken this from sources besides JLect. Chuterix (talk) 23:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's been long enough that I don't recall very clearly, but I think I might have also used findings from Gogen Yurai Jiten and Nihon Jiten.
 * The former includes this bit in their entry for 蛇:
 * "しかし、ヘビの方言には、「ヘミ」「ヘブ」「ヘベ」「ハビ」「ハベ」「ハム」「ハメ」「バブ」「パプ」「ヒビ」などのほか、これら二音の中間に「ン」を挟んだ「ヘンビ」「ヘンミ」など数多くの呼称があり、" ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 01:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems like you've taken this from sources besides JLect. Chuterix (talk) 23:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's been long enough that I don't recall very clearly, but I think I might have also used findings from Gogen Yurai Jiten and Nihon Jiten.
 * The former includes this bit in their entry for 蛇:
 * "しかし、ヘビの方言には、「ヘミ」「ヘブ」「ヘベ」「ハビ」「ハベ」「ハム」「ハメ」「バブ」「パプ」「ヒビ」などのほか、これら二音の中間に「ン」を挟んだ「ヘンビ」「ヘンミ」など数多くの呼称があり、" ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 01:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It's been long enough that I don't recall very clearly, but I think I might have also used findings from Gogen Yurai Jiten and Nihon Jiten.
 * The former includes this bit in their entry for 蛇:
 * "しかし、ヘビの方言には、「ヘミ」「ヘブ」「ヘベ」「ハビ」「ハベ」「ハム」「ハメ」「バブ」「パプ」「ヒビ」などのほか、これら二音の中間に「ン」を挟んだ「ヘンビ」「ヘンミ」など数多くの呼称があり、" ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 01:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)