Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/sima

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, any others interested --

Japanese shima appears to be related to verb root shim-, describing "closed, not open":



Compare the sense of 🇨🇬 and derived 🇨🇬.

This prompts me to ask:


 * Is there any similar cluster in Koreanic terms around this apparent root? If so, we might be dealing with a cognate, or at any rate, a very old borrowing that has had time to nativize and produce derivatives.
 * If there are no related terms in Koreanic, might this be a borrowing from Japonic?
 * If it is instead a borrowing from Koreanic into Japonic, what would account for all the apparently related verbs in Japanese? Chance resemblance?

Cheers, ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 22:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, I am interesting in the subject but I don't have much knowledge on this etymology. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 22:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * IIRC Vovin (2010) considers this a borrowing. From pre-root *sim with suffixed. Chuterix (talk) 23:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Interesting, thank you! However, I note that Vovin's ideas go back and forth over the years -- a good thing, if someone is actively studying and learning more.  If memory serves, his thoughts on the source of  changed a few times, for instance.  I can't easily agree with the contention that the Japanese is a borrowing, given the large list of semantically related terms.  If instead you mean that the Korean is a borrowing, I have no particular argument -- my familiarity with Korean is much more limited.
 * FWIW, titles of works are much more user-friendly than this unfortunately opaque [NAME] [YEAR] notation.
 * Cheers! ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 00:48, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * See About Proto-Japonic and look at the Vovin (2010) section @Eirikr. Chuterix (talk) 01:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Re: sources, yes, I saw that earlier. My point still stands: it is much easier for people when you give the title of a work rather than [NAME] [YEAR].  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 05:16, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * (whatever...)               Chuterix (talk) 05:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Usability is a thing, my friend. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:48, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * forgot real to visit About Proto-Japonic/references and go to V sectiom Chuterix (talk) 18:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Eirikr Chuterix (talk) 18:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)