Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/təkərə

Notation
@Chuterix, as I mentioned, the use of ⟨angle⟩ ⟨brackets⟩ indicates spellings. Since reconstructed entries like this one cannot have any specific ancient spelling, your representations cannot go in ⟨angle⟩ ⟨brackets⟩, and should instead go either in to indicate phonemes, or just in italics to indicate non-English terms.

I have just the formatting for this one. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 05:47, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Vowel values
@Chuterix, the etym here currently states:

"The inital *to- changed to *tə- due to Arisaka's law."

However, this is backwards. From the text at w:Old_Japanese:

"Arisaka's Law states that -o2 was generally not found in the same morpheme as -a, -o1 or -u."

If I understand this correctly, this suggests that (or  in our OJP Proto-Japonic entries) was stable (where it was the original value), and that it was  (our OJP Proto-Japonic ) instead that manifested as some other vowel value when in juxtaposition with -a, -o1 or -u.

Now, quite what constitutes "the same morpheme", I am not certain -- were compound nouns viewed as a single morpheme? In this specific case, was tokoro viewed as a single morpheme?

→ If so, then it seems that the in OJP  might instead be the shifted value. Or, we somehow have two to elements meaning "place", one manifesting as and the other as ... but that strikes me as unlikely.

I think we need to nail down more specifically what Arisaka's law entails, and quite what vowel changes are expected, and what that means about the underlying unshifted vowel values. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 18:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Extremely obvious compound nouns such as are likely exempt from Arisaka's law. Fossilized compound morphemes must have also belong to Arisaka's law. Chuterix (talk) 20:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)