Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/təwə

Apophony
It does appear that PJ *təwə has a short form *tə, though I don't know if it is original. In any case I would consider a relationship with doubtful. Of course, a PJ can be reconstructed with the same meaning of "ten". Kwékwlos (talk) 10:54, 16 February 2020 (UTC)


 * , responding to your points --
 * Re: OJP (“ten”) and  (“ten”), the KDJ entry notes that the short form is a clipping of the longer form, and that it's used only in compounds.
 * Re: ↔  alternation, we see that historically with  also appearing with the readings tawomu and to2womu, and  also appearing with the readings tawo and to2wo.  See also the KDJ entry for 撓, among other resources.
 * There are various other places in Japanese where we see what appears to be a similar ↔  alternation.  See, for example, yama  vs. yomo, or the roots hoso- (“narrow” on the inside, from one edge across to the other) and hasa- (“narrow” on the outside, between the edges of two things).  Broadly speaking, where there are such pairs, the  variants appear to retain senses of "inward, inside, inherent" and the  variants seem to indicate "outward, outside, apparent".
 * Re: OJP so, I see that 十 appears as a  for either or .   as the term  only appears in compounds, either as the first or second element, but never as a standalone.  Meanwhile,  appears both as as standalone and in compounds.  Considering the different vowel values, I don't think that  and  are related, etymologically speaking.
 * ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 06:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. But where's the source you mentioned earlier? Kwékwlos (talk) 10:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for digging up a source. Things my side have been a bit ahoo due to the COVID situation.  Was there any mention in what you've read about why Miller rejects this?  Curious as to the reasoning.  I may do some digging later.  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 17:58, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, here, at http://altaica.ru/LIBRARY/Blazhek_Altaic_Languages_2019.pdf, page 276. Kwékwlos (talk) 18:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

This document should be amended as such.
Possibly cognate with toponym 德 (tok).