Reconstruction talk:Proto-Japonic/y

"*r" alternative unlikely
Vovin's theories about are interesting, but problematic.

He based this on 🇨🇬 that he proposes was borrowed from Japonic. See  That is reconstructed to roughly 668–935, too late for Proto-Japonic anything -- this is already Old Japanese. And by this point in the historical record, Koreanic terms ending in -r correspond to Old Japanese terms ending in -si, -ti, -tu -- but decidedly not -ru, let alone -r. See also Reconstruction_talk:Proto-Japonic/wasay.

Aside from Vovin's discussion of, is anyone else proposing final -r? And are they providing any explanation for this? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Many derivatives incorrectly included
Important point: The potential fusion with a final -i phoneme is only a relevant theory for those Japanese words that exhibit 露出・被覆 vowel alternation.

Many of the deriveds currently listed (2023-02-01) have no attested 被覆 form with the unfronted / more-open vowels a, o, u on the end. Terms with only the fronted / closed vowels e, i include, its derivative , , , , , , etc. etc.

, could you please pare down the list of deriveds to just those with attested 露出・被覆 forms? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:30, 1 February 2023 (UTC)