Reconstruction talk:Proto-Kartvelian/ḳatx-

I can't imagine separating this from 🇨🇬, which is from 🇨🇬, which is either borrowed from 🇨🇬 or is its cognate. is the Syriac word old? --Vahag (talk) 17:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it is borrowed from Arabic, so explicitly and often for words only attested in DuvB. I also don’t think that the (anciently frequent) Arabic word is a Kartvelian borrowing, it is probably as  from, of explained origin, and the similarity thus coincidental. Fay Freak (talk) 17:57, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * OK? Then one'd have to explain the regularly differentiated Mingrelian vocalism as a borrowing from a third source (which?). If this is an ancient Semitism, then one'd have to explain why Kartvelian borrowed /q/ as /ḳ/ rather than /q/ which makes zero sense (also x for ḥ?). კვარია (talk) 18:06, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That’s even more reason to support the conviction that I have uttered that the similarity is coincidental. Fay Freak (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about Semitic borrowing into Proto-Georgian-Zan (Svan being a borrowing) or independently into Old Georgian and Proto-Zan after the breakup (an old borrowing into Proto-Zan would undergo the same change in vocalism, no?). The /ḳ/ and /x/ could be explained by an unattested Old Armenian mediation, where those are the regular reflexes of Semitic /q/ and /ḥ/. But if the Aramaic is not old (and we need Aramaic's final -ā), then my theory does not work. Vahag (talk) 18:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Uh..., Old Armenian mediation for post-breakup Georgian-Zan? That's 7th century BC we're talking about, surely you mean late proto-Armenian (preliterary Armenian? I don't know how you guys call that) Would the Armenian word remain the same between that time and the actual attested language? I think, too many variables to assume ultimate Semitic origin კვარია (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to call that period of Armenian. The periodization of Armenian is meaningless. If it was borrowed as *kətʿxay or something like that, it will probably stay the same way until the first accidental attestation in Middle Armenian. Vahag (talk) 19:02, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If Armenian is without fail from Syriac (I'm assuming it can't be from Georgian due to missing vowel?), then I think similarity is accidental კვარია (talk) 19:17, 19 May 2022 (UTC)