Reconstruction talk:Proto-Kartvelian/ṭerep-


 * this makes sense wrt. reconstruction, but I'm kind of concerned with the shift in meaning between Georgian and Svan. Perhaps knows if coltsfoot ~ dock is common/happens in other cultures? კვარია (talk) 16:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That particular correspondence I cannot instantly think examples for, but it is obvious that the plants are named after the form of a hoof or horseshoe. You need a particular dock species though, look at the leaves of which is spread in the Caucasus (tip: about distribution information, consult German Wikipedia, English Wikipedia regularly misses these details that we are interested in; but I find thereafter that you specified the Svan as this exact species, so this my idea is confirmed thereby). For the leaves we have  meaning the unrelated hazelwort and coltsfoot;  literally called by the undersides of leaves came to mean Petasites as found for this Kartvelian word later in Russian by the same superficiality. Fay Freak (talk) 18:26, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, leaf shape was my suspicion too! It's good to have examples in other language families.
 * there's some merit to this reconstruction, but I find Georgian to be strange. This doesn't normally happen in Georgian. Proto-Kartvelian *e should give e in both Georgian and Svan. (Though I admit that I'm not familiar with Kakheti dialect, being a West Georgian myself.) Also note that Fähnrich doesn't use strong language. This is a tentative reconstruction. კვარია (talk) 18:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I now believe these plant names are inseparable from and are named after the leave shapes., , attested only as a translation of , does not have hoof-shaped leaves  but perhaps we are dealing with a confusion of plants.
 * Does have an etymology? If it is native, I think,  is borrowed from the Zan cognate. Vahag (talk) 19:42, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There's a theory in Chukhua which isn't worth mentioning. In Old Georgian the term could also mean "heel". Also an interesting case is, where is dropped. კვარია (talk) 20:29, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * So what’s the corresponding Svan term to 🇨🇬? It is possible that only it dates to Proto-Kartvelian but the body part name in Svan was only retained in a compounded plant-name, the first half of which was dropped when the body part reference was not being understood anymore by speakers. The scheme  →  (if this linguistic phenomenon has a name, tell it me!). Otherwise it is odd to suppose that the designation of the body part by itself was used as a plant name, without any affix or compounding; Fähnrich’s Proto-Kartvelian lexical item of “a plant name” thus presumably unreal, and it is on the contrary a body part name. Fay Freak (talk)
 * is seemingly isolated to Georgian. კვარია (talk) 09:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There is half a thousand of centaury species, many rare, many obscure synonyms, some only recently described, of great diversity in leaf shapes in particular. E.g. pree . You think it is spread in Bulgaria to Ukraine somewhere but allegedly Transcaucasian is a synonym of it. Of neither you find pictures, of most you don’t find pictures, and if you find then often one photographed the flowers and not the leaves … Fay Freak (talk) 20:44, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Some more finds in: Khevsureti and Pshavi refers to "Arum orientale". Again, similar leaf shape. In Svan there's also which is seemingly borrowed or partially calqued from Racha 🇨🇬. კვარია (talk) 22:37, 7 February 2022 (UTC)