Reconstruction talk:Proto-Ryukyuan/etu

initial *e-
What's reason for reconstructing initial *e-? Chuterix (talk) 02:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * If you ask me why I moved to *Etu, it's because did not answer me since at least 6 days. Chuterix (talk) 18:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Your comment makes no sense.
 * Why would Kwékwlos's lack of answer mean that you need to move a page?
 * If you are uncertain about a reconstruction, wait! I appreciate your passion, but your impatience and rashness are disruptive.  For instance, what is "E" meant to signify?  This is not explained.
 * Please slow down. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * "For instance, what is 'E' meant to signify? This is not explained."
 * See WT:AJPX.
 * I can wait for at least 13 years and he will still not respond.
 * @Eirikr. Chuterix (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Re: Kwékwlos's lack of response, perhaps you should rethink your approach.
 * Re: use of "E", this entry is for Proto-Ryukyuan, not Proto-Japonic. The About Proto-Japonic page is not the correct place to document conventions for Proto-Ryukyuan. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 23:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * But I also moved the PJ page, so it should apply, right? Chuterix (talk) 23:35, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Miyako equivalent of this word has /i/ in the initial, not /ɿ/, that means protoform of this has *e. See the entry いつ [itsɿ] in 南琉球宮古語多良間方言辞典.--荒巻モロゾフ (talk) 00:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Chuterix (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @荒巻モロゾフ Chuterix (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Now that I have better knowledge of Japonic and the phonology, this is not a conclusive answer.
 * In Miyako languages, absolute-initial *i only becomes ɿ or another syllable under the following conditions:
 * *i > ɿ /#_[ɾ ~ j]
 * > N /#_[n ~ m]
 * *e > i /#_[ɾ ~ j ~ n ~ m]
 * but
 * i ~ *e > i /#_[any other consonant]
 * Thus, it's not really a conclusive explanation. Chuterix (talk) 16:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Your notation here is incomprehensible:
 *  *i > ɿ /#_[ɾ ~ j] N /#_[n ~ m] *e > i /#_[ɾ ~ j ~ n ~ m]
 * This looks like malformed Perl coding. What are you trying to convey? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Eirikr: See . In this case, pR *i turns to the special fricative vowel <ɿ> before ɾ ~ j, N (moraic nasal) before n or m, but if pR *e, it stays [i]. Chuterix (talk) 21:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining that. The   notation is not clear at all, FWIW. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)