Reconstruction talk:Proto-Semitic/šūšān-

RFD discussion: December 2017–January 2018
These words are most likely later borrowings from Egyptian (Old Egyptian */ˈz(aç)aːçVn/ > Late Egyptian */ˈʃoːʃən/, compare 🇨🇬); see the discussion at the Etymology Scriptorium. The only source that hypothesizes this Proto-Semitic root itself contrarily notes ‘Borrowed from Eg[yptian]?’, and every other source I could find has supported an Egyptian origin (Erman 1892, Stricker 1937, Černý 1976). Moreover, the phonetics don’t support either a cognate relationship (Egyptian š and z don’t correspond to Semitic š) or a borrowing the other way around (the Late Egyptian closely matches the Semitic, but the Old Egyptian doesn’t). — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 17:36, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete., can you please deal with שושנה? —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 05:45, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 06:05, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete It is obvious that that Arabic form cannot be inherited; that form does not look Arabic and the vocalization varies, pointing to a foreign source. I find, and :
 * Freytag says its from Hebrew, but the Ancient Greek form listed at the Persian entry seems a better match to me. The extent of usage is also questionable, considering that Imm. Löw does not list it.
 * (the page numberings need a fix because of some pictures taking pages without page numbers, can you fix it, Vorziblix? I don’t know how to switch according to ranges) Palaestrator verborum (loquier) 10:11, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You can use, where min is the minimum page in the range, max is the maximum page in the range, and value if true/value if false are what you return if the page is in the range or out of it, respectively. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 19:28, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That’s what I tried in, but I need to handle both page and pages and getting those from Module:ugly hacks function match makes the numbers uncomparable. Where to see how to better handle page numbers than with Module:ugly hacks? Also isn’t there something better for more than two conditions, there being unnumbered pages on several places? For more conditions #ifexpr causes nesting, spaghetti code. Palaestrator verborum (loquier) 23:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The numbers from match are comparable, e.g.:
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 * You were using the wrong syntax; you can’t have . You need to do  . Unfortunately, short of using Lua, I don’t know of a better solution than Module:ugly hacks and spaghetti code for this. For more than two conditions, you might be able to cook up something with  s nested inside , but it would still be pretty much spaghetti code. — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 23:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, the links of volume 2 of Löw’s Flora are now exact and I can fix some more mismatches! Palaestrator verborum (loquier) 00:07, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure! — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 00:32, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, the links of volume 2 of Löw’s Flora are now exact and I can fix some more mismatches! Palaestrator verborum (loquier) 00:07, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure! — Vorziblix (talk · contribs) 00:32, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * RFDO failed. —Μετάknowledge discuss/deeds 19:41, 20 January 2018 (UTC)