Reconstruction talk:Proto-Slavic/dražiti


 * There is full agreement as regards the accentuation. Serbo-Croatian drážiti is a product of the Neo-Štokavian retraction, as evidenced by the rising tone. The derivation of *drazniti from *dražiti is formally impossible. Guldrelokk (talk) 15:58, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

After re-checking Derksen: Serbo-Croatian drážiti, drȃžim, Slovak drážiť and Russian dialectal дражи́ть, дражу́ and the rest of languages all regularly continue the a. p. b (b₂). Russian dialectal дра́жить, дра́жу is aberrant, probably secondary. This bothers Derksen because the root must then be non-acute. From *dʰreh₂gʰ- an acute is expected. Guldrelokk (talk) 16:31, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I didn't claim that *drazniti is derived from *dražiti, even though there are sources which claim a relation between the two: e.g. Български етимологичен речник, Vol 1, p. 419. If we had to reconstruct *drazniti, one possible to explain it would be from *dʰroǵ-neH-ti (from the same root is 🇨🇬). I mentioned this, because if the Slavic term is related to proto-Germanic (which is by no means certain), then a possible explanation for the differences between the short-long grade in Slavic vs Germanic and the different articulations of the coda (aspirated vs plain voiced) is the semantic convergence between *dʰreh₂gʰ- + *dʰreǵ-.
 * Regarding the accent disagreement, I meant exactly the things you've found. Bezimenen (talk) 17:31, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay, but it’s not that the accent is on the root in South Slavic and on the inflectional stem in East Slavic, if anyway it’s the other way around.
 * However, from *dʰreǵ- an acute is expected as well because of Winter’s law. Guldrelokk (talk) 17:45, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * I gathered some more insights, so I edited the etymology to address your objections. The -z- in *drazniti, which bothered me before, can actually be explained as a result of 🇨🇬 + 🇨🇬 + 🇨🇬. I find this explanation more credible then what I had proposed previously, so I removed the part with *dʰreǵ-. Could you verify if the current etymology sounds better? The intonation problem is still unanswered but I think it's better to leave it as an open question. Bezimenen (talk) 20:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)