Reconstruction talk:Proto-Slavic/sǫka

If this is actually *sǫkа rather than *suka, why is the Polish word, and not *sąka or *sęka? Is the Polish word a loanword from other Slavic language? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 07:54, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Derksen doesn't mention suka anywhere in the context or  (my impression is that the rationale behind this nasal reconstruction is to try to liken it to something like sun-ka?)


 * Vasmer doesn't like it either (link at ): Сомнительна реконструкция *pḱeukā и сближение с др.-инд. pac̨ukā ж. "мелкий скот", авест. раsukа- (Остхоф, там же). Точно так же -- праслав. *sǫkа (Петерссон, AfslPh 36, 139 и сл.) с допущением о происхождении польск. sukа из вост.-слав. Сомнительно мнение о заимствовании слав. слов из ир. диал. *svaka- "собака" (нов.-перс. sag), вопреки Коршу (Bull. dе l᾽Асаd. Sс. dе Pbourg, 1907, 758). Ср. соба́ка из др.-ир. sраkа-.


 * "Dubious is reconstruction *pḱeukā and likening with Old Indic pac̨ukā f. "small cattle", Avestan раsukа- (Остхоф, там же). Likewise [dubious] -- PSl. *sǫkа (Петерссон, AfslPh 36, 139 и сл.) with the rationalization of Polish sukа coming from East Slavic. Dubious is opinion of borrowing of Slavic words from Iranian dialectal *svaka- "dog" (New Persian sag), in spite of Корш (Bull. dе l᾽Асаd. Sс. dе Pbourg, 1907, 758). Cf. соба́ка from Iranian sраkа-." Neitrāls vārds (talk) 23:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Could it be both? The PIE word had an alternating stem so I could see easily how Proto-Slavic could inherit a descendant of both forms. Essentially a doublet. — Soap — 23:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

So, all dictionaries reconstruct PS form as *suka and I wan't to move page to that. Even if 🇨🇬 is borrowing from Ruthenian (unlikely), 🇨🇬 still points out at *suka. ,, . Sławobóg (talk) 13:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Sławobóg I also tend to think that everything needs to be moved to *suka. PS: in Old East Slavic was first attested very late - in the 15th century, which in fact was already Middle Russian (1400-1700). Not at all attested in Old Ruthenian (not in any of the dictionaries of the Old Ukrainian or Old Belarusian language). ZomBear (talk) 17:41, 12 December 2022 (UTC)