Reconstruction talk:Proto-Uralic/lappɜ

is this correct?
I've just added the ety for and both Zaicz and Uralonet say it's supposed to be *lappɜ. The Finnish entry for also uses the e spelling however, as well as the Hungarian entry for, possibly others, too, so maybe it is a Wiktionary thing? I don't know, I feel in no way qualified to resolve this. Appreciate if you could look into it, thank you! --178.164.219.98 20:26, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with proto-languages. I usually copy information from Uralonet or other dictionaries. The spelling from ɜ to e was changed by User:Rajkiandris in lapos. He is also the creator of the Reconstruction:Proto-Uralic/lappe entry. Maybe he or someone else can explain the difference. Panda10 (talk) 20:49, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry to interfere but if there is a reference given and we choose to refer to it, we need to faithfully adhere to whatever is given there. I don't think it's an option to refer to a source and then insert something else in Wiktionary. So I suggest we should change it to the way it's given at Uralonet and Zaicz. Of course, we can also notify Rajkiandris as well as leave a comment   in the page source about the change. Then once we find a valid reference for lappe with e, we can certainly refer to that, too, as an alternative. However, altering and overwriting a referenced piece of information (especially whose source is readily available online for anyone) is just not acceptable, in my opinion. Adam78 (talk) 21:32, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * "if there is a reference given and we choose to refer to it, we need to faithfully adhere to whatever is given there" THIS. Exactly.
 * Anyway, here's what I've found in the meantime, for what it's worth: this Wiktionary page says "unreconstructible unstressed vowels may be indicated by *ɜ". And Google returns results for both forms in academic works, so I guess there's just no linguistic consensus, and the ety's here on Wiktionary simply reflect this confusion. --178.164.219.98 21:46, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I added the mention to, spelling it *lappe simply because that was where the entry was at. I would agree with moving it to *lappɜ if the source so states. (For the less informed on Finnish, the -e at the end of the Finnish word is most likely a derivational suffix and would not allow for reconstruction of the actual final vowel). &mdash; surjection &lang;?&rang; 21:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, you are right, *lappɜ is the correct form.


 * Thank you, Surjection! --178.164.219.98 15:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC)