Reconstruction talk:Proto-West Germanic/bogōn

Reconstruction
Kroonen reconstructs this as, along with listing Old Frisian , Middle Dutch and Dutch , with the Old English ,  already given here(but with short vowels instead of long).

With this reconstruction here, I assumed that because of the related Old English noun [], that the -g- in Old English  might have been a realization of the weak class 2 infinitive -ian. In light of the other words, which I was not aware of initially, maybe the -g- was weakened to -w- or lost between the back vowels?

From what I can see now, Old English might reflect PGmc, which could be related to Old Norse , Old High German (< reduplicating ).

Dutch can only come from, I think, which could conceivably be related to Old Frisian  from (?), though unrelated to the above words.

It's not a very clear picture. Any thoughts? Anglom (talk) 22:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The Dutch form can be cognate with the Old Frisian form though (since au > ō in Old Dutch), so it probably is. 22:55, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you think this should be moved to, then? Anglom (talk) 23:12, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No I think you're right about the interpretation of -i- and -g-. It's probably with /j/. A form like  would leave  unexplained. The Middle English -w- would then be epenthetic, having been inserted after the reduction of -ian to -en, which is not very unusual as Old English used this same sound for epenthesis.  23:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * An alternative could of course be, since h was lost between vowels anyway. And Old English -o- could come from -u-, so that leaves as another possibility, which could then be an ablaut/Verner variant of  found in Dutch and Frisian. However, that would require reconstructing  for PIE, which violates the root constraints that prohibit roots from containing both an aspirate and a voiceless consonant.  23:32, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Kroonen also reconstructs as . So we could also potentially move this to . Anglom (talk) 19:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's possible, but the difficulty is in the variety of glide vowels found in different languages. In some cases the glide -w- is universal, which points to it being original. But other times, Old English has -w- while Old Saxon and Dutch have -j- instead. That means that Old English doesn't provide enough information to distinguish these cases. 21:07, 5 May 2014 (UTC)