Reconstruction talk:Proto-West Germanic/funkōn

Verb
If the verb had not extra-non-West-Germanic cognates then we don't reconstruct it for Proto-Germanic, unless it was form by derivational process that did not exist in the daughter languages. That being said, this is a weak class 2 West Germanic only, which means this should be moved to Proto-West-Germanic. Moreover, you wrote "The original paradigm consisted of two stem variants, *funk- against *fung-" but where did you get this information? As I can't find this in Kroonen. Lastly this seems to me to be instead of Kroonen's claim that 🇨🇬 derives from 🇨🇬. 𐌷𐌻𐌿𐌳𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌲𐍃 𐌰𐌻𐌰𐍂𐌴𐌹𐌺𐌹𐌲𐌲𐍃 (talk) 17:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The problem with this verb is that the root is observed to show alternations between -nk and -ng in the causative verb (page 127 & 141), the -nk is secondary it arose in the iterative by Kluge's law, being derived from an unattested primary strong verb *finhaną. The alternation *funk- next to *fung- is a logical consequence of this derivation. You're right about the verb being only attested in west germanic as such, however since *finkaną was derived *funkōną, both verbs should be considered west-germanic only. Lastly, if we consider this verb to be an iterative, than it can't be derived from a noun like you suggest, because *-ōną iteratives are only formed from strong verbs.--DerRudymeister (talk) 18:56, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I understand your argument but Kluge's law is controversial. Moreover, when would "*funk-" or "*fung-" have been used, in the singular? plural? or in both? As they way it is now it looks like "*funk-" was used in the singular and "*fung-" in the plural. 𐌷𐌻𐌿𐌳𐌰𐍅𐌹𐌲𐍃 𐌰𐌻𐌰𐍂𐌴𐌹𐌺𐌹𐌲𐌲𐍃 (talk) 19:47, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


 * -nk- in the singular, -ng- in the plural. Why is kluge's law suddenly considered controversial? It's all over the proto-germanic entries, many of which you added yourself. The alternations of -kk- next -g-, -pp- next to -b-, -tt- next to -d- have the same origin. But perhaps it's better to remove it from this entry, because the variant with -ng- is never attested as an iterative.
 * It's not generally accepted in the linguistic community. Ringe doesn't accept it for example. But because Kroonen accepts it, it has made its way into our entries unquestioned. —Rua (mew) 09:50, 12 February 2020 (UTC)