Talk:ʻngú

RFD discussion: April–June 2018
It already has the written form ꪉꪴ --Octahedron80 (talk) 05:07, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, and have an admin update Module:languages/data3/b to add Latin as a script for this language. SIL (see Ethnologue, Script Source) says it also uses Latin and Thai scripts. Also, apparently "few of the Tai Dam can still read their heritage script (Phan Lương Hùng 2010: 14)", so it would make sense that they use a more common script like Latin or Thai as well. If anyone with access to better sources could confirm this, that would be great. – Gormflaith (talk) 20:26, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I’m afraid few of the Tai Dam can still read their heritage script is more likely to mean that most of the others read and write only in Vietnamese. From the Unicode proposal it seems that even the Tai Dam diaspora uses the Tai Viet script to write their language. I think it would be better to remove all Latin script Tai Dam entries and make a transliteration module instead. Guldrelokk (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're probably right about the quote. "Literacy rate in L1 1%-5%; L2 50%-75%". And as for the diaspora, I couldn't find anything in the Unicode proposal about script usage overseas ), though I did find a couple images using it, and even a YouTube comment (top one). Any Latin script I've come across (that may or may not be just transliterations) doesn't have any diacritics, so I do think that these entries should be deleted. I also found a YouTube video that uses all three scripts in the title. Perhaps Latin is used in the diaspora for convenience? I imagine it must be easier to text your mom in Latin rather than Tai Viet script. Sorry if this comment is too speculative to be of any use. – Gormflaith (talk) 22:56, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I meant this part:

Traditionally, the Tai Viet script did not use any further marking for tone. The reader had to determine the tone of unchecked syllables from the context. In recent times, however, several groups have introduced tone marks into Tai Viet writing. Tai Dam speakers in the United States begin using Lao tone marks with their script about 30 years ago, and those marks are included in SIL’s Tai Heritage font. These symbols are written as combining marks above the initial consonant, or above a combining vowel, and are identified by their Laotian names, mai ek and mai tho. These marks are also used by the Song Petburi font (developed for the Thai Song language), although they were probably borrowed from the Thai alphabet rather than the Lao.
 * This seems to be one of the solutions used in Tai Dam entries, like.
 * Most languages occasionally get written in Latin script on YouTube, in SMSes and the like, but it is generally too defective and inconsistent to be suitable for a dictionary. As you pointed out, even tones are not marked. Guldrelokk (talk) 00:07, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Wow, I don't know how I missed that; thought I'd thoroughly read the paper. Thanks for finding it! – Gormflaith (talk) 03:25, 21 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Deleted. Wyang (talk) 03:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)