Talk:Ραμσής

RFV discussion: October–November 2017
Ancient Greek, in Ramesses (where it was added together with some other translations in August 2015) and rꜥ-ms-sw (where it was added in May 2013‎). I wouldn't doubt it if it were given as young Modern Greek (el:w:Ραμσής), and maybe it's just the language needing to be fixed. BTW: The source also has (twice ),  (gen. ),, ,  and others. By these sources the name seems to be, in a porly transcription ignoring accents and somewhat ignoring the correct spiritus, R[h]amessēs with three s, which doesn't fit together with,. -84.161.44.156 23:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Herodotus, The History or The Histories (English titles), book II, 121ff. (sacred-texts.com) might attest (Rhampsínitos, Rampsinitus, Rampsinit). Rampsinit, at least in older sources, is identified with Ramses or sometimes only or more precisely Ramses III. or Ramses II. (maybe the same pharao but with different numberings).
 * Flavius Josephus, Against Apion (English title; PACE) might have (i.e. *(rame/sshs) (and/or ?) in it. The given source also has  (said to be the son of  or Ramesses), where the first part might be a form of Ramses (cp. w:Ramesses II, "Nomen: Ramesses meryamun"), and it has  (said to be the elder son of  or Sethos), which might be Ramses II., son of Sethos I.
 * It is said that only fragments of Sextus Julius Africanus' work remain. Iulius Africanus Chronographiae The Extant Fragments (by Martin Wallraff, Umberto Roberto, Karl Pinggéra, William Adler, from 2007) seems to have (with spiritus apser). It also seems to have  (with spiritus apser) or in an English translation Rapsaces who is given as the 2nd pharao or king of the 19th dynasty following Sethos, which should mean it's Ramses II.
 * Eusebius could be another source, and he is also mentioned at attalus.org: Ramesses but quoting from attalus.org: Eusebius: "Most of the original Greek text of the Chronicle has been lost."
 * Flavius Josephus (edited by Benedictus Niese, Latin title De judaeorum vetustate sive contra Apionem libri II.) indeed has Ῥαμέσσης (with acc. Ῥαμέσσην from 1st declension), and also τὸν Ῥαμεσσῆ (nom. *Ῥαμεσσῆς?) and "Ῥαμεσσήν," (nom. *Ῥαμεσσής?). Flavius Josephus (edited by Guilelmus Dindorfius = Wilhelm Dindorf, Latin title De antiquitate judaeorum, contra Apionem, 1847) has Ῥαμέσσης too, and Ῥαμέσσην instead of Ῥαμεσσῆ and Ῥαμεσσήν - and at one place it has Σέθωσις, Latin Sethosis, instead of Σέθως.
 * Georgius Syncellus (edited by Guilielmus Dindorfius = Wilhelm Dindorf, Latin title Chronographiae, 1829, p. 134 & 136), which is also based on Eusebius and Africanus, has (in the Latin text: Ammeses, Rammeses, Rameses). On p. 180 he also has  but this might be Middle Greek. Jacobus Goar's old edition from 1729 has Ραμεσῆς, Αμμεσῆς (defective without spiritus for capitals), but is quite old anyway.
 * Ammianus Marcellinus (rerum gestarum [...], lib. XVII, cap. IV.) has (or "Ῥαμέϛης" with stigma ς for στ, or defective "Ραμέϛης" without spiritus for capitals). Sources/Editions: Ammiani Marcellini rerum gestarum [...] ab Jacobo Gronovio (1693, p. 176-178), Ammiani Marcellini rerum gestarum  [...] ex recensione Valesio_Gronoviana. [...] adiecit Augustus Guil. Ernesti (1773, p. 108f.) and Ammianus Marcellinus with an English translation by John C. Rolfe'' (vol. I, 1935, p. 326-331 and 568). For easyness, not for correctness, there is: TLL and English translation at Gutenberg.
 * The name seems to be, also , and maybe also and maybe Middle Greek ; but it doesn't seem like Ραμσής, Ραμέσης are Greek or even Middle Greek. Anyhow, the doubtful names are long enough unattested. -84.161.20.244 02:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)