Talk:Иванов


 * Hi. The Bulgarian surnames need a bit of attention. Do they need inflections or just feminine and plural forms in the header? Also stresses are missing everywhere. I used to think that Ива́нов is the correct stress for Bulgarian surnames but it seems a patronymic but the surname is stressed the same way as Russian "Ивано́в". Is that right? Pls take a look to see if any changes or improvements are required. Remove the request for inflections if it's unnecessary. Sorry if made any mistakes, I am not sure about stresses here. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have heard both Ивано́в and Ива́нов, but I cannot elaborate which is the standard or if there is any. Regarding the inflection, I think as a surname the lemma is technically uninflected. The only other inflectional form is the vocative, which however is identical to the nominative (unlike the proper name : nom. Иван -> voc. Иване). The pl. Иванови, fem. Иванова are technically different words. Or equivalently, they could be treated as different iterations of the possessive adjective : e.g. "Иванова(та) идея" (f) /(the) Ivan's idea/ "Иваново(то) мнение" (n) /(the) Ivan's opinion/, etc. It depends how one would like to treat the lemma: as a proper noun or as a possessive (non-comaparable) adjective. Безименен (talk) 09:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response, @Безименен. I still think we need to display feminine and plural forms, if not in the declension, then in the headword. The current template doesn't take pl parameter, though. Yes, we could have possessive adjectives. If we use a declension table, it should just display Иванов, Иванова, Иванови - for surnames, both stress patterns, no definite forms or vocative, the same for possessive adjectives.
 * BTW, Иванова is also a feminine form in Russian, which is also in documents but it is a form of Иванов, so it is shown in the declension tables, like Ивановы (plural).
 * Is the name also a patronymic? --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 04:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If it's going to be easier this way, add the full inflection. I have no objections. It's matter of technicalities, anyway.
 * PS Yes, Иванов can be patronymic, too. Bulgarian patronynic system does not have any specific ending. The ending -ич (which Russian uses as patronymic marker) in Bulgarian is used to denote affiliation to an aristocratic family or a household. Безименен (talk) 11:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)