Talk:абы

Deterenkelt (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Ozhegov and Shvedova dictionary, that I have in paper (1999) says, that ‘aby’ has no stress.
 * 2) I think that etymology of meanings ‘so that’ and ‘if only’ may be different, and the former probably comes from the shortening of Old Slavonic ‘дабы’ = modern ‘чтобы’ (‘daby’ = ‘so’ in the sense of ‘so that’ or ‘in order to’).
 * 3) Cite for aby = ‘if only’ http://search1.ruscorpora.ru/search.xml?env=alpha&mycorp=&mysent=&mysize=&mysentsize=&mydocsize=&dpp=&spp=&spd=&text=lexform&mode=main&sort=gr_tagging&lang=ru&nodia=1&req=%E0%E1%FB&p=9&docid=49083
 * 4) For ‘so that’ I can remember only the phrase ‘абы не как у москалей’ which is of Ukrainian origin and probably sounds as ‘абы не як у москалiв’ in Ukrainian. There is also another quote in the National corpora of Russian language in which ‘абы’ has a meaning of ‘so that’ – http://search1.ruscorpora.ru/search.xml?env=alpha&mycorp=&mysent=&mysize=&mysentsize=&mydocsize=&dpp=&spp=&spd=&text=lexform&mode=main&sort=gr_tagging&lang=ru&nodia=1&req=%E0%E1%FB%20%FF&docid=112304 Here it translates to: ‘As I see, you’re a fine boy, handsome, I’d say, whitey, but those writer’s pants you better not wear, so that I would never see them…’ – again having ‘хлопчик’, ‘гарный’, ‘шаровары’, ‘писарские’ – the words of Ukrainian language. I’m leading to the thought, that ‘абы’ in the sense of ‘so that’ may probably only be used in Russian language when it quotes Ukrainian.
 * Can you review the comments and changes by this user? Benwing2 (talk) 15:24, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess this is similar to . Ru.wikt says that it's either unstressed or lightly stressed on the first syllable, except in the phrase (and I copied this information to our entry). So I suspect that here  is also usually unstressed but can be lightly stressed on either syllable. --WikiTiki89 15:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC)