Talk:бахър

Pronunciation with word-final stress

 * I've only ever heard this word pronounced with word-final stress, definitely by speakers in my part of Bulgaria (the seaside). Have you heard it pronounced with word-initial stress?

Thanks,

Chernorizets (talk) 10:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * It should be on the ending. Turkish in general has word-final stress and this is a Turkish borrowing. I've added the stress on auto-pilot, sorry about that.
 * PS I think the word should be uncountable as well, shouldn't it? 2A00:23C7:9C97:8201:B5A8:6704:E013:E36D 12:38, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you know which Turkish word this is supposed to be a borrowing of? I asked several Turkish speakers and nothing came to their minds. As for it being uncountable - not sure, I think we could probably find colloquial plural uses. Chernorizets (talk) 17:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Apparently transferred from a meaning “tinsel” from, so mentioned for Kalmyk by (2007) Очерки по истории сложения тюрко-монгольской языковой общности. This Bulgarian word is weirdly little documented in the past. Fay Freak (talk) 17:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Chernorizets Thanks for the notification... I distantly remember thinking in the audio recording interface "surely it's pronounced with final stress", but I always check the entry itself to decide what to record it with, so I'll have to re-record this one. Nice catch :-) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 21:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @Kiril kovachev thank you! Chernorizets (talk) 23:49, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Etymology update
I got a reply from the about the etymology of this word. Here it is, and I've reflected it in the entry. I couldn't find those senses of, but I figured the sense of "chest", "bosom" is consistent with the idea of bracing yourself around the torso to conserve body heat.


 * Здравейте!


 * Предполагаме, че съществителното име „бахър“ със значение 'студ' идва от турското bağιr 'стиска, шепа, стяг; прегръдка; (при)свиване в себе си'. Вероятно значението се развива от това, че на студено място, в студено време се свиваме от студ, за да запазим малкото топлина, която тялото отделя, за да ни е топло. В този смисъл „бахър“ би могло да означава освен 'студ' и 'място, на което е студено; място, където се присвиваме от студ; време, когато е студено; време, по което се присвиваме от студ'.


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Chernorizets (talk) 11:18, 26 October 2023 (UTC)