Talk:гвоздь

Again,gvozd in Serbo-Croatian doesn't mean anything.Word for nail is ekser.Many words in Serbo-Croatian that come from Proto-Slavic here are made by analogy from other Slavic languaes.Examples : nesti,gvozd,blesti In Old Church Slavonic they mean something but not in Serbo-Croatian.There is a word gvožđe,gvozden but that means iron NOT nail.There is a word blebetati,blejati but NOT blesti.I am not stupid and I'm not lying.


 * That information comes from Ivan Štambuk. —Stephen (Talk) 09:45, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

There are many differences between Slavic languages.And many "false friends".For example gvožđe means iron not nail.Sahraniti means to bury(meaning funeral) and in Russian and Bulgarian it means to keep.Prositi means to beg not to ask.Cvet means flower not color.And so on.


 * Yes, but I don’t think Ivan said anything about the meanings here. Descendant words do not always have the same meanings as the parent word. —Stephen (Talk) 10:27, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

OK fine.But I'm pretty sure that the word gvozd can't be found in Serbo-Croat dictionaries.When translating nail you can find three words (nouns) only : ekser,čavao,nokat.If you think otherwise please show me some link or photo where that word is documented.

Gibati means to move not to perish.Guba means leprosy not sponge.


 * But this is not about translating "nail," it is about the descendants of гвоздь, regardless of changes to meaning. It has everything to do with descendants of гвоздь, and nothing to do with "nail". —Stephen (Talk) 11:23, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Well the descendant of гвоздь is gvozden or gvožđe.I really don't understand how gvozd can be a descendant when the word means nothing.It is very simple.Gvozd is not a valid word.Give me some proof,some picture,some quote.Tell me please what does gvozd mean?


 * I don’t know about that, Ivan Štambuk added the Serbo-Croatian. I only know the Russian. —Stephen (Talk) 11:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Of course you don't.The only descendant of гвоздь is Russian гвоздь.Maybe a Slovene gozd is correct too(it means forest).The Serbo-Croatian descendant is gvozden(adj.) and gvožđe(noun).Both mean iron.I searched two dictionaries I have,and I tried Google translate none register gvozd.It says the reference is Matica Hrvatska.It is a very suspicious source.

Gvozd may be a root of words gvožđe and gvozden.Gvozd + je = Gvozdje = Gvozđe = Gvožđe (as in List + je = Listje = Lisće = Lišće or Grozd + je = Grozdje = Grozđe = Grožđe) And gvozden is gvozd + en(which makes it an adjective)But when standing alone it doesn't really have a meaning.