Talk:гильотина

Are these two pronunciations correct? This is what ruwikt says, and Ivanova more or less agrees, using the notation [льё и лья], but лья would properly produce. Benwing2 (talk) 08:41, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I say and I have heard only [ɡʲɪlʲjɪˈtʲinə]. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 09:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * OK. I put that pronunciation first and removed [ɡʲɪlʲjɐˈtʲinə]. Benwing2 (talk) 23:30, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * What does Ivanova say? I find [ɡʲɪlʲjɵˈtʲinə] forceful as in . even [ɡʲɪlʲjɐˈtʲinə] is more natural for people who use "yakanye" or rather fail to reduce vowels, which are normally reduced. I would just leave [ɡʲɪlʲjɪˈtʲinə]. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:06, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * See my comments above about Ivanova. Benwing2 (talk) 01:12, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * BTW Avanesov has the notation [лья] by гильоти́на, but has [льи] by гильотини́ровать. Not quite sure how to interpret this. Benwing2 (talk) 01:15, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I read your comment but not sure about "more or less". Avanesov did a better job on гильотинировать but was inconsistent with гильотина. IMO, if we use [ɡʲɪlʲjɐˈtʲinə] ([лья]), then we need to provide unreduced pronunciations for many more words, e.g. частота́, яи́чница, etc. Let's be consistent. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад) 01:21, 17 June 2017 (UTC)