Talk:гэртээс

‘Double cases’ in Mongolian
@Theknightwho Poppe listed гэртээс, along with ахынд as examples of ‘double case forms’ of Mongolian declension. However, гэрээс, today’s more common form itself was a Middle Mongol ‘double’ suffixation in -ä-čä. Gardi (嘎日迪) showed us a comparison between two types of Middle Mongol ablative markers: 1. simple but rare ending -čA; 2. -čA after locative -A, -dA, or -tA, became -AčA, -dAčA and -tAčA. Unless you have any proof of that -тээс was triple -т-ээ-с and unrelated to Middle Mongol, Poppe’s analysis might be considered as wrong. Personally I suppose an alternative label (‘ablative 2’?) for the rare form in -тээс, with function notes written in the declension table. LibCae (talk) 11:35, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Or maybe ‘elative’? I was also bothered by the singular form, which today functionally expanded to singular + count form (as well indefinite number?). LibCae (talk) 11:57, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @LibCae It's not just in Poppe - it's also referred to as a double case in Janhunen's Mongolian. Theknightwho (talk) 18:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Theknightwho Yes, but -ээс was probably also double. According to “Монгол бичгийн зөв бичих толь бичиг” the archaic locative -A becomes long in the modern Cyrillic orthography (as in танаа, модноо, газраа, өдрөө, etc.), corresponding with lengthened -ААс of Khalkha. Neither Poppe nor Janhunen mentioned the historical evolution of -ААс in their works. LibCae (talk) 11:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)