Talk:орясина

Etymology
Do you know where this one may come from? Perhaps it's derived from Uriah? Shumkichi (talk) 19:11, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * On first glance I identify it with 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, words which I have covered, but I can’t find it in Ukrainian so it is difficult to claim it a borrowing from Hungarian alike (which would probably be through Russian) and then the Hungarian—upon which to stumble I guess you have been smart enough yourself—is even claimed to be possibly from Russian.


 * It appears that in the sense of a big stick and even the sense of a hench man the form has been of wider use (e.g. Мызников: Русский диалектный этимологический словарь p. 704), while Anikin recently s.v. variant аля́сина wants to see a regional Proto-Slavic, an entry found by himself in , where they find the etymology dark, but their last sentence with a native etymology is soundest, which, requiring to drop the assumption of the prefixed ru being original, suggests derivation from the variant , attested in the dialects, of , , impf. , , which is covered in  with cognates interesting for our further Slavic coverage.


 * So I assume yes, the Hungarian is a Russian borrowing, as the term has a native Russian derivation—in the fashion that  does not reach back to Proto-Slavic but has a preformative suffixed from . Fay Freak (talk) 21:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)