Talk:կակաչ

Iranian
Of course the similarity to the known  won’t be a coincidence. The Daryab Pashto Glossary knows as variants to this plant name, , , which are apart from the last also known in [Dictionary of Pashto Synonyms and related Words Dictionary of Pashto Synonyms and related Words. Fay Freak (talk) 11:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, the relation is likely in view of the other Caucasian forms I found. The k ~ x alternation can perhaps be explained by User:Calak's law mentioned at Talk:خندق. --Vahag (talk) 18:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * In my accent, this is . Probably related to, cognate to , evidently a Turkic loanword.--Calak (talk) 20:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well this it is more similar to .--Calak (talk) 20:26, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This alternation (/q/ ~ /χ/) is common in Turkic without any sound laws; without any apparent logic many Persian words with and up having  in Kazakh and other until a century ago barely literate Turkic languages, e.g. the descendants on . In Azerbaijani the pronunciations of (q⟩ in auslaut positions are spirantized, and sometimes it is expressed in the script as in  against its cognates. Due to opium trafficking going to Turkic lands – still the most frequent tradable item with travellers in those remote mountains – the Armenian and Georgian forms may even be because of Turkic – I see no pre-13th century quotes.
 * The evident Turkic word is 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬 (present with different suffix end morpheme in 🇨🇬) etc.)? (Borrowed like .) Fay Freak (talk) 23:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I never liked Pictet's etymology, as the Sanskrit terms are late and obscure. The Turkic origin is intriguing, but I am not completely convinced. The Armenian is attested late, but the dialectal variation means it is old. Besides, Turkic k and q give in Armenian. Feel free to add your ideas in the entry of . --Vahag (talk) 11:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Here we can also add and .--Calak (talk) 12:42, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I also found Kurdish qaşqaş, kûzkûz ‘Lychnis flos-cuculi’ in, a plant with seeds similar to poppy. I wonder why is 🇨🇬 considered a Turkic borrowing. derives homonymous 🇨🇬 from Turkic , but it is a different word. On page 391 he derives 🇨🇬 from Turkish, but I think the borrowing can be in the opposite direction. If we find an Iranian origin for the "slice, bit" word, then the Armenian and Georgian are derived from unattested Middle Iranian. , I sent you the remaining volumes of Hassandoust. Does he have an entry for ? --Vahag (talk) 14:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you Vahag.
 * About Kurdish kûzkûz; In CK kûz and qaş are synonyms ("section, slice").
 * No, there wasn't any entry for or  unfortunatly.--Calak (talk) 15:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)