Talk:կարծեմ

Semitic

 * I am thinking of deriving this from Aramaic qrṣ "to accuse", with a sense development "to accuse" > "to suspect". The Aramaic is supposedly borrowed from Akkadian karṣu 'slanderer', karṣī akālu 'to slander'. We have 🇨🇬, 🇨🇬. What's the lemma of the qrṣ verb which I can link from here? Vahag (talk) 17:36, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The C-stem:, but as you see probably the idiom / , there is a lot of formations for these idioms under ʔkl, , and  – in that last vocalized as a singular and in  and  as a plural, and in  it is said that the singular is more common; we see anyway it is most common expression for accusatio, calumnia, maledictio, obtrectatio, so a sensible suggestion, that leaves us in awe again why so low hanging fruit are ommitted by modern philologers; also in Arabic we list , and  supposedly means “piquer, blesser quelqu’un par des propos offensants”, and , which are likely semantic loans, not likewise understood in Arabic. Fay Freak (talk) 18:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. They missed it, because the meaning does not fit perfectly. Vahag (talk) 15:28, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Are there are formal problems with being related to that Indo-European material and fancy? If yes, one can equally derive it from  or, ; Arabic also has matching meanings in . I just doubted a bit why it would not have , but it would be too easy and I found I could just ask whether the other theory is formally even worse—semantically it is. Fay Freak (talk) 19:06, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at closely, but u-stems are usually inherited. Also, as you said, ծ requires Semitic ṣ. Vahag (talk) 15:43, 29 July 2023 (UTC)