Talk:ձաւար

Iranian borrowing
Why uncertain though? See 🇨🇬. Especially the Hindi word is not hard to know, in the 21st century at least; the Arabic one uses to be unlisted though it is used now and yore. The 🇨🇬 they went over because of its specific meaning and the first consonant, but the Hindi connects all again strongly by meaning. I did not find more of this family but there must be at least in India. Fay Freak (talk) 14:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Remember that Armenian is /dz/. It does not correspond to Arabic j- or Hindi j- or to their antecedents in this case, Iranian g- and Sanskrit y-. But because the traditional etymology is problematic, your findings are worth adding to my list of tentative proposals. --Vahag (talk) 17:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder, though it be but a detail that it is /dz/ and not /d͡ʒ/ and yet it is in this part still closer than /j/ in 🇨🇬. And unlike the comparison to 🇨🇬 this at least also has the -/ar/ part; I went much closer than the “usual connection”. One may wonder whether this is the same ending as in . Following the explanation at 🇨🇬 this is just an easy extension as 🇨🇬, from, but maybe they substituted an easier word for a truer etymon, I know not – I cannot judge well if the derivation in is cromulent. (The Ugaritic cognate of  could suggest this is a non-Indo-Iranian suffix.) Fay Freak (talk) 17:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * may contain the same suffix.
 * One of the dictionaries compares Hebrew, , without glossing them. I don't know if these are secure. --Vahag (talk) 18:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)