Talk:փաթիլ

Georgian borrowing
. I want to declare this a Georgian borrowing: compare, ,. Chukhua reconstructs a Proto-Kartvelian, together with 🇨🇬. Is the reconstruction reliable? may also be related. --Vahag (talk) 20:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)


 * see my edit on . Chukhua has a lot of interesting comparisons, but I always make sure to cross-reference him with Fähnrich who seemingly read Chukhua 2003 in its entirety. already has an etymology in Fähnrich, page 431. კვარია (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * For 🇨🇬, compare 🇨🇬. კვარია (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I also found patul- in dialectal Turkish and Pontic Greek. If the Laz word you found is the so far unknown cognate of the above-mentioned Kartvelian words, then all of them, together with Trabzon Armenian, are borrowed from Laz. Vahag (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The vocalism doesn't fit. Upd: Well, actually, now that I think about it, if it derived from *pet-, then you'd expect a in Zan, but ? I'm thinking this wird could ultimately be from Kartvelian, but Laz borrowed rather than inhereted it. How does the Pontic Greek form look? კვარია (talk) 22:04, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I expect a lot of Pontic materials by post. I will add all the relevant forms once I receive them. Vahag (talk) 18:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Aramaic borrowing
A well-known Semitic item, CAL translates “tuft of wool” in the Talmud and we have discussed on four years ago. Fay Freak (talk) 19:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * but in the Talmud quote "let him bring tufts of wool and weave a tampon" corresponds to "tampon", not "tuft of wool", no? Vahag (talk) 21:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * : Right, they translate (they and  otherwise known from a stereotypical phrasing) as “tufts of wool/fiber” and the quote likely instructs to twist  a more compact product out of it—the difference is the manufacturing stage, without addition of any material. I say presumably because as it stacks “take this and then make that” the reader could see one act as not building upon the other: The context may be difficult to fathom (yikes) by reason of relating unreasonable practices, the  kenner Alexander McCaul No. XXV “Charms” has an English rendering of our context Gittin, fol. 69, col. 1, translating as “threads”, of wool . Fay Freak (talk) 22:34, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I will look into this once I collect all the evidence on this word in my vast library. Vahag (talk) 19:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)