Talk:بلنجمشک


 * This is related to, probably cognate with Sanskrit mātuluṅga-, mātulaṅga-.--Calak (talk) 12:46, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * But this is still the same word, yes? Why has this word so many variants? has an etymology but it still does not explain it. Fay Freak (talk) 13:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, same word. This is NP bâlang development: NP bâlang < *bārdang < *bādrang < MP wādrang (with regular developments: MP w- > NP b- and  OIr -rd > MP/NP -l). bâdrang is original form without metathesis. wârang is a loanword form another Iranian language (NP doesnt keep MP initial w-).--Calak (talk) 13:19, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Regarding your question about, I have put it at 🇨🇬 which it means. It is probably also not old and thus interesting enough to appear on , well in fact unrelated to it, as also that Middle Persian? Because we have , apparently a different word. . Or you tell me it’s also the same, Calak? Fay Freak (talk) 14:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you know anything about Aramaic ētrūngā and eṭrōjā and Hebrew eṭrōj?--Calak (talk) 14:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I only know what is already written on Wiktionary, that it is from Iranian. But I see now you say is probably cognate with mātuluṅga-, and this is here said to be related to . Can both be true? Are  and  doublets and how? Fay Freak (talk) 16:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I see … if you derive 🇨🇬 from 🇨🇬, then we need an origin for the Arabic. Perhaps from the same source as 🇨🇬. Lost source? Some see the, and the Aramaic forms of this form as corruptions of  (“alles Korruptionen aus narandj” in Handbuch der Pharmakognosie 1933). It only gets more confused.  Fay Freak (talk) 16:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It is well imaginable that is just an Arabic variant of, that is , prothesis being frequent in four-consonant words: It is like the alternation  ←→ . I find this explanation satisfying. Fay Freak (talk) 16:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I added, which is not old and is peculiar to the New Julfa dialect in Iran. It must be closely related to 🇨🇬. The Arabic forms listed at 🇨🇬 do not suit well. I think they are from an unattested (?) Arabicized Persian bādrinj. Similar to 🇨🇬 / 🇨🇬 from the Arabicized Persian, rather than the Arabic nāranj. --Vahag (talk) 17:15, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It might have also existed, like in the complete form . But the -n- epenthesis can also have appeared in Persian, Azeri or Turkish without being borrowed in this form from Arabic, because it is in the long form and in, so it could have been up-corrected. Ominously this Turkish-Arabic dictionary has  as Arabic, else the few hits for  on Google Books and the Web are Persian, and there is 🇨🇬 in Ottoman, as well as . Fay Freak (talk) 18:06, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems that they are doublets. MP wādrang is from earlier wādrūng (compare Parthian wādrūng) and they are from earlier *wātrūng. Arabic should be from Iranian *trung (via Syriac).  in  is a prothesis  to break tr- consonant cluster. Now we have Iranian *wātrūng and *trung. It seems that *wātrūng is from wā? + trung.--Calak (talk) 17:17, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Asatrian derives Arm. patrinj from Middle Arm., from Arabicized Persian bādrinj and says it is not old.--Calak (talk) 17:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC)