Talk:بلوط

What is the relation of the Indo-Germanic words like to the Semitic ballūṭ? Is the second half of the Indo-European root related to the word which is reflected as, /‎ , , , , ? In view of this I am not so sure in the derivation of  /  from, particularly if we have no corresponding Akkadian word “acorn”. Is it the passive participle ? For Akkadian seems not to have used this root for “oak”, I have searched the B volume of the Chicago Assyrian Dictionary for this string, while Aramaic does not seem to have used the word ballūṭā in a more general meaning. – Fay Freak (talk) 18:04, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * According to Nšanyan, the Aramaic and Arabic are borrowed from, a diminutive of . I find and  in LBG. If this is correct, then the Akkadian word is unrelated. In any case, the Semitic is not needed to explain the PIE formation of . --Vahag (talk) 20:09, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Uwe Bläsing in Armenisch-Türkisch. Etymologische Betrachtungen ausgehend von Materialien aus dem Hemşingebiet (1995), pages 102–104, adduces many other cognates and argues for an ancient Wanderwort of uncertain ultimate origin. --Vahag (talk) 20:19, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You have to add what is written in Bläsing by yourself, that book is hard to access. For that el-word, I should have added . Now that makes a story.
 * I also call your attention to . Fay Freak (talk) 22:00, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a reference in the period of Sargon II describing an inventory of resources including numerous tracts of a tree-type in the vicinity of Ḥarran called although with most readings it up to interpretations (namely as vineyards or as date palms with alternate sign readings), a common longstanding suggested identification has been a "white oak" species. Profes.I. (talk) 22:13, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * But period of Sargon II suggests it is borrowed from Aramaic, as if Löw is right. – We are eager about the further cognate terms, . Fay Freak (talk) 23:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Just giving some context as to what possible earlier Semitic references were known; it may very well be from the bulging sense. There are also other meanings of the Aramaic root "b-l-ṭ" namely to be rotten, to be an obstruction or block, also giving potential etymologies. I do not believe there is a conclusive evidence showing a chain of development unfortunately, perhaps the best course of action is to list the potential lines of thought. Profes.I. (talk) 00:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * , Bläsing's German is too difficult for me. You can view the excerpt yourself here. --Vahag (talk) 15:14, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

More cognates
I just got the idea that you probably know further cognates, + can perhaps add the Chagatai script. I wanted to give you a chance to make this article even more bloated. Fay Freak (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It appears as if the word didn't break on through to Kipchak lands and Siberia, although I of course didn't dig through every dictionary.
 * Also my usual source of Chagatai spelling, Dictionnaire Turk-Oriental, doesn't have this word (or I didn't recognize it), and I cannot read Ottoman so Словарь джагатайско-турецкий (al Sharif's dictionary) is out of my reach. Maybe can help? Crom daba (talk) 22:26, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually these might be one and the same (Abushka), maybe looking there is a waste of time. Crom daba (talk) 22:38, 25 August 2018 (UTC)