Talk:خليل

Types of friends
I am too anti-social to apprehend the fine granularity of this term in Arab society across ages, or have traversed English-speaking lands to know all implications of possible translations; that’s the trick of learning so many languages, just ignore etiquette people are otherwise too fussy about, it is disputed anyway and foreigners are othered anyway, but there is some rough thing I did grasp: the now second sense was a subsense of the first and I discerned a use for a so-called romantic boyfriend, as one now puts it in the Anglophone world. Clearly so subtitled, have they translated the wrong sense? I don’t know what that Saudi was IP up to, although I am aware of the circumstance that the requirements (or tatbestandliche Voraussetzungen, as our jurists would put it) for are so low that this whole state of romantic friendship and cohabiting non-married couples may not well exist as one must expect a straight transition from courtship to marriage.

Most other languages have no or only ambiguous terminology as well, and for contrast I positively know for the former Soviet Union that the concept is strange and without term as they do marry fast, though this is a consequence of the Bolshevik reforms. So are we correct to affirm that all of, , , , correspondingly the form, have this sense, at least as a neologism chosen by some writers and discourses, at least to be mentioned in usage notes if misleading about a more literal sense as a gloss? There are also so many Arabs in Germany now—*preying on our women*—that I need to wonder what their term of choice is.

At least our translation tables give  as the first term for  even and not only that sense of. Fay Freak (talk) 11:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You are perfectly right. The word occurs in 's Quranic commentary




 * I cannot say what it was in the IP's mind, but I suspect that he was thinking of the Quranic use of the term (that is, as an Islamic epithet of Abraham), but semantically, the "sex partner or companion" meaning is inferable from the root, which signifies "seclusion", hence "privateness".


 * The other substitutes you have listed sound fine, though is vaguer to me than the rest are. In any case, the Quranic choice is.


 * As for the Arabs preying on women in Germany or elsewhere, I don't think I can tell what the usual word in each of their dialects would be. In Egyptian, though, it would be as in English,, with the same ambiguity as in English, hence the conscious avoidance of this term in the characterization of male-female non-sexual relationships. Roger.M.Williams (talk) 12:53, 5 February 2022 (UTC)