Talk:فعل لازم

مُتَعَدٍّ
why does it end with genitive indefinite nunation? Thanks in advance. --Backinstadiums (talk) 17:12, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Because is a  participle from the defective (final-weak) root . — Eru·tuon 20:49, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I mean why not using it as adj., instead of in a اضافة ? by the way, what is its form V then? --Backinstadiums (talk) 21:05, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The phrase is an adjective-noun phrase, not an idafa. The -in in this case is the ending of the nominative. The perfect form corresponding to  is, I think. — Eru·tuon 21:21, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Then, what is the declension of فِعْل in its citation/dictionary form? I do not what approximate translation could be added for it. Also, then this phrase is different from, which I thought was noun + adj. --Backinstadiums (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * No, it's not different syntactically from &mdash; I should have said noun–adjective, not adjective–noun. I was confusing English and Arabic word order. — Eru·tuon 22:23, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Finally, what would be the citation/dictionary form of the whole phrase? I still do not know why the participle is in genitive --Backinstadiums (talk) 23:00, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * فِعْل مُتَعَدٍّ is the citation form. As I was trying to say, مُتَعَدٍّ is nominative. — Eru·tuon 23:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Once again I am sorry. What I really want to know is whether it's a diptotic pattern (-in, -iya, -in) or rather triptotic like its verbal noun (-in, -iyan, -in). Furthermore, am I right to suppose that its passive participle متعدًّ is invariable? --Backinstadiums (talk) 00:34, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the other case-forms look like. Maybe you can find out by looking at the declension of another final-weak participle. — Eru·tuon 01:23, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
 * looks similar to . A different Form, but it is also from a final-weak verb. The two might belong to the same declension type. — Eru·tuon 07:26, 25 March 2017 (UTC)