Talk:لا أحد

RFD discussion: July 2020–January 2022
SOP. Sense 4 of “there is not” +  in the determinate state (+ relative sentence following, as such in Arabic by default does not have a relative pronoun). Fay Freak (talk) 00:33, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Literally the same as no one, for which we also have an entry, and the gloss definition links to the English which would also have to be SOP. פֿינצטערניש (Fintsternish), she/her (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Judging language by another language is a common fallacy. This is different. is not the word for the numeral “one” – unlike in Hebrew; it is  – but is the word for anybody. And  does not have the sense of a determiner as in English  first etymology. Things can also come in between, for example: لَا يَخْفَى عَلَى أَحَد (this time  sense 2). One wouldn’t look this Arabic formation up specifically, because it is SOP. It is not “literally the same as ” but rather something like “there is no man who”, and you would not create . I likewise have difficulties seeing the 🇨🇬 given in the translation table of  as not SOP, if that helps you to see that common translations of  can be SOP. . Fay Freak (talk) 13:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don’t know about the Arabic, but  is somewhat similar to  . By itself kimse just means “someone” or “anyone” – an unspecified person. When translating a negative sentence like kimse  to English, one idiomatic approach is to move the negation to the pronoun, as in “there is nobody” – although you can also say “there isn’t anybody there” (and colloquially, “there ain’t nobody there”). And hiç is normally used to strengthen an already existing negation. Standalone use implies a negation, as can occur when a verb is omitted and left implicit in answer to a question (like “kaç kişi geldi?“ = ”how many people came?” — “hiç kimse [gelmedi]” = “no one [came]”), but if a verb is present, it is obligatorily negated. This also applies to the collocations hiç kimse and hiç  and the univerbations  and .  --Lambiam 15:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. I forgot that about وَاحِد vs. أَحَد; my Arabic is still improving. I retract my wish to keep the entry, except to voice my more general belief that anything that glosses to a valid English entry should be kept - which does not appear to be policy, unfortunately. פֿינצטערניש (Fintsternish), she/her (talk) 14:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. ←₰-→ Lingo Bingo Dingo (talk)  16:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

RFD-deleted. &mdash; Fytcha〈 T | L | C 〉 19:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)