Talk:ھەسان

, Ačaṙean derives from 🇨🇬, from 🇨🇬, which has been compared to the Iranian words for ‘whetstone’ but usually is considered of uncertain origin. --Vahag (talk) 14:40, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Asatrian agrees. --Vahag (talk) 15:45, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Check, he derives it from OIr.*sā with prefix *ham. We also have same word in Gorani. Compare also . Yes, (it is with ê (ē) not e (a)) can be an Armenian loanword.--Calak (talk) 16:13, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , I see. Are you sure Zazaki hêsan exists? In this Kurdish–Zazaki dictionary by  I find 🇨🇬 glossed as 🇨🇬, but I don't know if it refers to ‘whetstone’. --Vahag (talk) 17:15, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not sure, but I found it here. In you dictionary, second means whetstone. Vahag even hê- from OIr.*ham- is very common. Compare, from OIr.*ham-mauča-,  from OIr.*ham-paθnī,  from OIr.''*ham-madu/ayana-, ....
 * I think Ačaṙean is wrong and Kurdish word should be a native word from same source which 🇨🇬 has been derived (i.e from OIr. *ham-sā-na-). Why should we take all Kurdish dialects (includes Southern Kurdish), Zazaki and Gorani word an Armenian loanword? I think it is improbable. Even if we accept it, we can't explain Kurdish verb with same etymology.--Calak (talk) 18:15, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not just Ačaṙean, but also Asatrian, who when discussing the Zaza words in his 1987 article usually says the Kurdish cognates are also borrowed from Armenian. Iranian *ham- cannot explain 🇨🇬, because it is faithfully rendered as . Still, I removed the claim of Armenian origin because of the spread in other Kurdish languages. For now we can assume it is a freak coincidence that the words ended up with the same form and meaning in Armenian and Kurdish. --Vahag (talk) 19:45, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Asatrian proposed an Iranian etymology later (like moz in 1987 article). Also (from *ham-sū-ta-) confirms Kurdish form can be from Iranian. Now beside SK, Gorani and Zazaki, if we can find hasān in other Iranian languages, we can reject Armenian source.--Calak (talk) 20:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)